[D-G] Varela/Stengers : enaction /environment

[.Sylvia_Jenepi.]

Hi Mike,

exact quote reconstituted by my superpowers:

  »Expérience de pensée:en quoi serait différente de la notre une société 
ou l' « l'enaction »(?) aurait réussi à devenir aussie « vraie » que 
l'est désormais pour nous le mouvement de la Terre? »

-> « Thought experiment: in what way would be different from our 
society, a society where « enaction » (?) would have succeeded in 
becoming as « true » than is for us now the « movement of the Earth »

->deepl more correct in reproducing man made translation than google

enaction for Varela: cognition in relation to environment, different to 
Descartes where thought is « only » substantive « je suis une chose 
pensante »

stengers thought experiment objective is reminding us science is an 
enaction, earth movement as studied by Gallileo (reproducible today) is 
an enaction: science is no antropological construct or artefact: it has 
a condition : some thing resist: an event(s) in universe, which 
scientists in action call « truth » it resists to man thinking (/acting 
on) the systems of phenomena.

environments: different can be: mankinds eco-system and singularities 
eco-system(s) two different environments. mankind=transcendental being » 
falsifying adequate functioning of thinking in the singularitie(s) ie 
thinkers of science. if science thoughts experiments are/ is founded on 
a transcendental being then it can have more diffuse/molar power than a 
power drifting from the « event-truth »: that which resists 
man/organisms thinking.

a power which leads the audience led astray:  influenced by it in 
certain direction away from the truth (adequate potentially to the 
singularities as in spinoza's natura-substance-god) ( the original 
useful objective of science though!!), it becomes a « truth » that is 
autonomous and away from these « events/truths » in the universe which 
philosophers of science posit as condition for « objective science » 
though..

for instance, singularities (light science thinking or living organisms) 
these days get  more alerted by a « mini-ice-age » estimated lasting ten 
or fifteen years, than by carbon-dioxide warming climate of « mankind 
environment » a concept closer to dark science.

regards,

Sylvia

On 27.05.2021 02:20, Mike Lansing wrote:

> Yes, Bains quotes Stengers: Deepl says: Thought experiment: How would a 
> society where 'action' has managed to become as 'real' as the movement 
> of the Earth is now for us be different from ours?'
> 
> Google says: 'Thought experiement: How would we be different from a 
> society where 'action' has succeeded in becoming as 'true' as the 
> movement of the Earth is now for us?'
> 
> French text, 31 Jan 1997: Experience de pensee: en quoi serait 
> different la notre societe ou 'l'enaction' aurait reussi a devenir 
> aussi 'vrai' que l'est desormais pour nous le movement de la Terre?'
> 
> On Wed, 26 May, 2021 at 6:14 PM, .Sylvia_Jenepi. 
> <sylvia_jenepi at brokenvessels.xyz> wrote:
> 
> To: mike lansing
> 
> Hi, could you reproduce here the stengers text you talk about and your 
> impression about it?
> 
> (orbital flat surface is down tonight because i am upgrading from PHP 
> 7.1 to PHP 7.4 and the PhpBB forum needs an update i try to restablish 
> asap)
> 
> byebye
> 
> S
> 
> On 25.05.2021 [1] 23:44, Mike Lansing wrote:
> 
>> I will try "deepl" for Stivale's quote of Stengers from the D&G 
>> archive, 31 Jan 1997, to see how it goes.



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