[D-G] cartes, maps of geopolitical communications

[Mike Lansing]

James does not cover god's Time problem as well as Haegglund does
(Radical Atheism: Derrida and the Time of Life). Haegglund aptly shows
the impossibility of god from many angles. To reconsider James'
pragmatism is still a worthwhile enterprise, in your previous post.
Successive desubjectivation....can there still be religiosity of
Sciences called incorrigible after the Miller-Urey volcanic spark
experiment literally presupposes Deleuze: "Nevertheless, god dances on
a volcano." (D&R). The first amino acids of life began at the mouth of
a volcano, when gases were electrified, and perhaps samples returned
someday from Mars will reiterate the earthly mechanism. As Guattari has
said to the effect that there is nothing unique in the way thought
thinks through DNA (SC, Sade, Juliette). A hidden religion, the spectre
that drives Putin's confidence, is not universal in the hostage
populations. There is liberation from it, even if it seems to be
everywhere.

Miller-Urey is knowledge replacing faith. The order out of chaos came
from these beginnings. There is no spirituality whatsoever involved.
Pure mechanosphere, Guattari's project being radically atheist, a most
delicious chaosmosis, reading Rimbaud for its literary value rather
than Rimbaud as letcher. 'Transcendence built by many citizens' could
be taken as the christ who plays a role, but the why not is more
interesting: Bergsonian Triplicity of Flux....why not make do with just
the flight of the bird and the gliding of the boat?....because of god's
Time problem, of course, the Derridean Trace and the fact that if there
is a god, it is necessarily morta. Derrida goes even further in that
"god is death." Of course, absolute knowledge is also death.

'What is Philosophy, 213. The paradigm here is again Spinoza, for whom
god's power simply expresses the infinite perfection of his essence:
god act and produces only through his essence, and not through an
understanding or a will.' (Desert Islands and Other Texts). Badiou
concludes his review of Deleuze's book on Leibnitz with a similar
point: whereas Leibnitz affirms a concept of mind affirmed as presence,
force or 'strength, and not action' (LB, 119), Badiou insists any
viable notion of militant and transformative truth must conceive it as
'action and not presence' (Badiou, 'Deleuze: The Fold).
(Hallward P, Out of This World: Deleuze and the Philosophy of Creation)

At this point, Badiou links well with both Guattari and Haegglund,
whereby G morphs Time against the grain whilst H dissolves god. But
Hallward goes 'bananas' at the end of the book:

'As Deleuze understands it, living contemplation proceeds at an
immeasurable distance from what is merely lived, known or decided. Life
lives and creation creates on a virtual plane that leads forever out of
our actual world. Few philosophers have been as inspiring as Deleuze.
But those of us who still seek to change our world and to empower its
inhabitants will need to look for our inspiration elsewhere.'
(Hallward, op cit) 

Nuts. Hallward has problems applying his "life lives and creation
creates" to the Miller-Urey volcanic spark experiment, which reveals
that Badiou's transformative truth of the amino acids of life are both
action (and [italics]) presence.


<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: Johnatan Petterson [internet.petterson at gmail.com]
>Sent: 2/8/2019 7:48:10 AM
>To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>Subject: Re: [D-G] cartes, maps of geopolitical communications
>
>hello Mike..
>
>i have sent to this list last summer a post on <<'Pragmatism'>>, 
>the book
>by William James
>I think it is apt to answer to the ? of considering in one same breadth
>Atheism and Religion,
>when the Atheist reason of Religion follows the flight line
Christianity 
>>>
>Protestant >> Pragmatist >> Deleuze
>within a refinement of the line of escape, a successive
desubjectivation,
>with add-ons relays like
>Nietzsche, who in <<Mas alla del Bien y del Mal>> discusses and 
>pokes fun
>at the FreeThinker as eater of bifsteak, and in "<<Wagner casus>>"
>discusses how his compositor of Tristan & Ysold mentor encouraged him
in
>stopping bifsteak eating. Nietzsche was a vegan.
>in <<Mas alla del Bien y del Mal>> Nietzsche as well expresses all 
>his
>doubt on false pretenses of atheism.
>on the religiosity of Sciences, as an '' indécrottable ' 'incorrigible'
>habit of thought. I think, having browsed the reference that you bring
>by Shults <<Iconoclastic Theology Gilles Deleuze and the secretion of
>Atheism>> this biocultural current of thought is no exception, to this
>hidden religion . There is actually no escape to Religion, or religion.
>already posted here aswell, the "Refrain" plateau where in
>DG talk about the "Earth religion" of animals, vegetals and religion
>(Mircea Eliade). In Shinto the objects are ghosts, they have souls.
>We are animals, and animals with emotions. The liberation of Feelings,
last
>chapter in Shultz book defending atheism
>might give you the clue between the lines on the incorrigible
religiosity
>of Man. Animals with emotions which
>are connexions to the environment of the Monad or Modus. Thus
_potentially_
>dynamically connected to a beyond to Earth. to other Galaxies, to
Quasars
>?...
>
>what indeed
> DG discuss in What is Philosophy? is the nature, the connexions with
which
>the Modus sets up his plane:: how to link connexions to each other?
>when Is it a Mandala, or is it a Concept? Is it Cold Painting
(Classical
>Projectivism) or is it Explorative Painting (Van Gogh, Cezanne) ?
>Is it a distant rule by a Plane of Transcendance, or a bath of
Immanence
>built by many citizens?
> is it
> 1)the vertical projection allusion to the historical Atlantis: Xerxes
-
>Darius Despotism
>in relation to Ionian physicists tearing off an european Transcendance
from
>asian Immanence and offering the ambivalent Mask
(Transcendance-Immanence
>two faces of the same seductive coin) Mask thence
>offered to Philosophy, Athens offering it to Aristoteles and Plato,
used
>later in Islamo-Christian Sciences --
>and later borrowed to many including Spinoza and Deleuze;
>OR
>2) is it religious historical freedom as testified in Herodotus in
romances
>and stories?
>
>The question is political, not ontological. In Bartleby ou la Formule
CC
>essay Deleuze talks about "Confidence" and refers it to William James
in
>Pragmatism who talks and equals "Confidence" with "Faith". You can read
>this essay or the one on Bartleby as a correction by Deleuze on the
work by
>William James (and Deleuze knew how Henry
>Miller in his essay on Rimbauld the Time of the Assasin, wherein Miller
>praises "Faith" above all else as a quality lacking in Arthur Rimbauld
).
>
>in CC<<Bartleby ou la formule>>,
>Deleuze wants to distinguish between 'Confidence' and 'Faith'. One
>(confidence) is helping a lot for his readers, our contemporaneous,
>the other sucks deep for his readers our contemporaneous:
><<Mais pour cela il faut aussi que le sujet connaissant, l'unique
>propriétaire, cède la place à une communauté d'explorateurs,
précisément
>les frères de l'archipel,
>qui remplacent la connaissance par la croyance,
>ou plutôt par la <<confiance>> : non pas croyance en un autre 
>monde,
>mais confiance en ce monde-ci, et en l'homme autant qu'à Dieu
>( " je vais tenter l'ascension d'Ofo _ avec espérance, non avec foi...
_
>j'irai par mon propre chemin " ) p111 CC *
>
>the question again is the relations between the "célibataires" the
>emotions, the constitution of a republic of explorers.
>the exploration of intensities, the skills of distance between
>célibataires. (= bachelors)
>
>so why not Christ to play some role in this practice ? For instance the
>Figure plays a role in one or two novel by DH Lawrence.
>Or Didi Huberman explores Catholicism "Incarnation" and Denys
l'Aeropagyte
>precious stones in his book on Fra Angelico.
>
>-
>
>
>
>*this sentence actually comes from Herman Melville essay of archipelago
>stories on the Galapagos Islands.
>
>Why do you say that Ben-yamin Gantz (this guy who was in the Isrealian
Army
>as Chief of Staff Etats Major) had his friend Masud (? in Afhanistan ?)
>killed by people from Brussels? You confuse everything!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Johhnny
>
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>Le ven. 8 févr. 2019 à 01:55, Mike Lansing <badger2 at mail2world.com> a
>écrit :
>
>> It's the theogonic-type of regimes de signes that is manipulating the
>> hostages, even if there is little or no religious discourse. Your
idea
>> of a resilient (but also consistently stable) Putin-as-christ makes
>> sense as does the symbology for the xian soldier, Gantz: symbolic
>> father figure and christ-son. Gantz was friends with Masud who was
>> killed by some radicals from Molenbeek, a connection that will be
kept
>> in mind. A shadow government, a self-perpetuating sign regime with
>> moral imperatives driving a sustained repression due to integrated
>> theogonic forces, as Putin has declared these forces necessary.
>>
>> 'By chipping away at the iconic function of christ, I hope to help
>> unveil the dynamics that lead people to desire their own (religious
>> [italics]) repression. This too will require creating new concepts
and
>> making new connections. How does one go about the process of
>> construction? Deleuze recommends that one must begin within the
social
>> formation in which one finds oneself.
>>
>> "Lodge yourself on a stratum, experiment with the opportunities it
>> offers, find an advantageous place on it, find potential movements of
>> deterritorialization, possible lines of flight, experience them,
>> produce flow conjunctions here and there, try out continuums of
>> intensities segment by segment, have a small plot of new land at all
>> times" (TP, 178). The social formation in which I find myself is
>> largely stratified by monotheistic religions, even -- or especially
--
>> when the role of these coalitional forces is ignored or downplayed.
>> Increasingly one hears the voices of "new atheists" protesting
against
>> this stratification. Why is it so easy for people to ignore these
>> protests? My strategy is to begin from the inside, so to speak, and
to
>> work outward, testing Deleuze's suggestive hypothesis that
Christianity
>> in particular has a special role to play in the secretion of atheism.
>> What potential movements of deterritorialization, what possible lines
>> of flight can we find already (within [it.]) christianity theology
>> itself? As atheists have learned over the centuries, however, poking
at
>> problematic doctrinal reasoning or questionable moral practices in
>> religion has surprisingly little effect. If we really want to
dissolve
>> the power of (religious [it.]) repression, we need more leverage; we
>> need to understand the mental and social mechanisms that
>> surreptitiously produce and automatically reproduce this phenomenon
>> across cultures. Here we are aided by discoveries within the
>> bio-cultural sciences of religion, which have exposed the evolved
>> cognitive and coalitional processes through which the gods (including
>> christ) are imaginatively born(e).'
>> (Shults, op cit, p. 9)
>>
>> Putin's 'necessary' religion necessarily produces it automatons
between
>> elections. And the machine works. Be sure of it.
>>
>> <-----Original Message----->
>> >From: Johnatan Petterson [internet.petterson at gmail.com]
>> >Sent: 2/7/2019 5:18:29 PM
>> >To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>> >Subject: Re: [D-G] cartes, maps of geopolitical communications
>> >
>> >If I follow you right, the hostage populations in Russia hold Putin 
>to
>> >be the resilient Figure of Christ ??
>> >
>> >How come Gantz & Lapid and Resilience Party be connected to that
>> theology?
>> >
>> >
>> >Where does fit in the Shadow Government in Shultz quoted passage 
>below?
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >JP wrote: It's instead the ingenuous use by Putin's more or less 
>secret
>> >Council of the "regimes de signes" composed from early XX Century
>> >artistic Avant Guardes.'
>> >
>> >Yes, Russian psyche is asiatic. One can understand why Putin has
said
>> >that religion is "absolutely necessary." Gantz's Israeli Resilience
>> >Party was presupposed in Shults's passage, below. That passage
links 
>to
>> >Putin's Media Council writers manipulating the "regimes de signes" 
>just
>> >when JP abandons (too soon) the "regimes de signes" trajectory for a
>> >more rigorous schizoanalysis. One can sense the theogonic phantom, 
>the
>> >shadow-government:
>> >
>> >'From the point of view of the biocultural sciences of religion, it 
>is
>> >important to note that the (use [italics]) in what Deleuze calls
>> >"wisdom traditions" is normally wrapped up in shared imaginative
>> >engagement with supernatural agents, and so "religious" in the
sense 
>I
>> >use the term here. In this context, however, my main focus will
>> >continue to be on overturning "christ," a particularly resilient 
>Figure
>> >who is interpreted within the sacerdotal trajectory of Christian
>> >theology as (the [italics]) image of God, in relation to which all
>> >human beings are evaluated.'
>> >(Shults, Iconoclastic Theology: Gilles Deleuze and the Secretion of
>> >Atheism, p. 56)
>> >
>> >This theogonic imagery is deeply embedded on the hostage
populations.
>> >It is a naturally addictive media drug.
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