[D-G] cartes, maps of geopolitical communications

Fri Feb 8 05:52:10 PST 2019

hello Mike..

i have sent to this list last summer a post on <<'Pragmatism'>>, the book
by William James
I think it is apt to answer to the ? of considering in one same breadth
Atheism and Religion,
when the Atheist reason of Religion follows the flight line Christianity >>
Protestant >> Pragmatist >> Deleuze
within a refinement of the line of escape, a successive desubjectivation,
with add-ons relays like
Nietzsche, who in <<Mas alla del Bien y del Mal>> discusses and pokes fun
at the FreeThinker as eater of bifsteak, and in "<<Wagner casus>>"
discusses how his compositor of Tristan & Ysold mentor encouraged him in
stopping bifsteak eating. Nietzsche was a vegan.
in <<Mas alla del Bien y del Mal>> Nietzsche as well expresses all his
doubt on false pretenses of atheism.
on the religiosity of Sciences, as an '' indécrottable ' 'incorrigible'
habit of thought. I think, having browsed the reference that you bring
by Shults <<Iconoclastic Theology Gilles Deleuze and the secretion of
Atheism>> this biocultural current of thought is no exception, to this
hidden religion . There is actually no escape to Religion, or religion.
already posted here aswell, the "Refrain" plateau where in
DG talk about the "Earth religion" of animals, vegetals and religion
(Mircea Eliade). In Shinto the objects are ghosts, they have souls.
We are animals, and animals with emotions. The liberation of Feelings, last
chapter in Shultz book defending atheism
might give you the clue between the lines on the incorrigible religiosity
of Man. Animals with emotions which
are connexions to the environment of the Monad or Modus. Thus _potentially_
dynamically connected to a beyond to Earth. to other Galaxies, to Quasars
?...

what indeed
 DG discuss in What is Philosophy? is the nature, the connexions with which
the Modus sets up his plane:: how to  link connexions to each other?
when Is it a Mandala, or is it a Concept? Is it Cold Painting (Classical
Projectivism)  or is it Explorative Painting (Van Gogh, Cezanne) ?
Is it a distant rule by a Plane of Transcendance, or a bath of Immanence
built by many citizens?
 is it
 1)the vertical projection allusion to the historical Atlantis: Xerxes -
Darius Despotism
in relation to Ionian physicists tearing off an european Transcendance from
asian Immanence and offering the ambivalent Mask (Transcendance-Immanence
two faces of the same seductive coin) Mask thence
offered to Philosophy, Athens offering it to Aristoteles and Plato, used
later in Islamo-Christian Sciences --
and later borrowed to many including Spinoza and Deleuze;
OR
2) is it religious historical freedom as testified in Herodotus in romances
and stories?

The question is political, not ontological. In Bartleby ou la Formule CC
essay Deleuze talks about "Confidence" and refers it to William James in
Pragmatism who talks and equals "Confidence" with "Faith". You can read
this essay or the one on Bartleby as a correction by Deleuze on the work by
William James (and Deleuze knew how Henry
Miller in his essay on Rimbauld the Time of the Assasin, wherein Miller
praises "Faith" above all else as a quality lacking in Arthur Rimbauld ).

in CC<<Bartleby ou la formule>>,
Deleuze wants to distinguish between 'Confidence' and 'Faith'. One
(confidence)  is helping a lot for his readers, our contemporaneous,
the other sucks deep for his readers our contemporaneous:
<<Mais pour cela il faut aussi que le sujet connaissant, l'unique
propriétaire, cède la place à une communauté d'explorateurs, précisément
les frères de l'archipel,
qui remplacent la connaissance par la croyance,
ou plutôt par la <<confiance>> : non pas croyance en un autre monde,
mais confiance en ce monde-ci, et en l'homme autant qu'à Dieu
( " je vais tenter l'ascension d'Ofo _ avec espérance, non avec foi... _
j'irai par mon propre chemin " ) p111 CC *

the question again is the relations between the "célibataires" the
emotions, the constitution of a republic of explorers.
the exploration of intensities, the skills of distance between
célibataires. (= bachelors)

so why not Christ to play some role in this practice ? For instance the
Figure plays a role in one or two novel by DH Lawrence.
Or Didi Huberman explores Catholicism "Incarnation" and Denys l'Aeropagyte
precious stones in his book on Fra Angelico.

-

*this sentence actually comes from Herman Melville essay of archipelago
stories on the Galapagos Islands.

Why do you say that Ben-yamin Gantz (this guy who was in the Isrealian Army
as Chief of Staff Etats Major) had his friend Masud (? in Afhanistan ?)
killed by people from Brussels? You confuse everything!

Best regards,

Johhnny

Le ven. 8 févr. 2019 à 01:55, Mike Lansing <badger2 at mail2world.com> a
écrit :

> It's the theogonic-type of regimes de signes that is manipulating the
> hostages, even if there is little or no religious discourse. Your idea
> of a resilient (but also consistently stable) Putin-as-christ makes
> sense as does the symbology for the xian soldier, Gantz: symbolic
> father figure and christ-son. Gantz was friends with Masud who was
> killed by some radicals from Molenbeek, a connection that will be kept
> in mind. A shadow government, a self-perpetuating sign regime with
> moral imperatives driving a sustained repression due to integrated
> theogonic forces, as Putin has declared these forces necessary.
>
> 'By chipping away at the iconic function of christ, I hope to help
> unveil the dynamics that lead people to desire their own (religious
> [italics]) repression. This too will require creating new concepts and
> making new connections. How does one go about the process of
> construction? Deleuze recommends that one must begin within the social
> formation in which one finds oneself.
>
> "Lodge yourself on a stratum, experiment with the opportunities it
> offers, find an advantageous place on it, find potential movements of
> deterritorialization, possible lines of flight, experience them,
> produce flow conjunctions here and there, try out continuums of
> intensities segment by segment, have a small plot of new land at all
> times" (TP, 178). The social formation in which I find myself is
> largely stratified by monotheistic religions, even -- or especially --
> when the role of these coalitional forces is ignored or downplayed.
> Increasingly one hears the voices of "new atheists" protesting against
> this stratification. Why is it so easy for people to ignore these
> protests? My strategy is to begin from the inside, so to speak, and to
> work outward, testing Deleuze's suggestive hypothesis that Christianity
> in particular has a special role to play in the secretion of atheism.
> What potential movements of deterritorialization, what possible lines
> of flight can we find already (within [it.]) christianity theology
> itself? As atheists have learned over the centuries, however, poking at
> problematic doctrinal reasoning or questionable moral practices in
> religion has surprisingly little effect. If we really want to dissolve
> the power of (religious [it.]) repression, we need more leverage; we
> need to understand the mental and social mechanisms that
> surreptitiously produce and automatically reproduce this phenomenon
> across cultures. Here we are aided by discoveries within the
> bio-cultural sciences of religion, which have exposed the evolved
> cognitive and coalitional processes through which the gods (including
> christ) are imaginatively born(e).'
> (Shults, op cit, p. 9)
>
> Putin's 'necessary' religion necessarily produces it automatons between
> elections. And the machine works. Be sure of it.
>
> <-----Original Message----->
> >From: Johnatan Petterson [internet.petterson at gmail.com]
> >Sent: 2/7/2019 5:18:29 PM
> >To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> >Subject: Re: [D-G] cartes, maps of geopolitical communications
> >
> >If I follow you right, the hostage populations in Russia hold Putin to
> >be the resilient Figure of Christ ??
> >
> >How come Gantz & Lapid and Resilience Party be connected to that
> theology?
> >
> >
> >Where does fit in the Shadow Government in Shultz quoted passage below?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >JP wrote: It's instead the ingenuous use by Putin's more or less secret
> >Council of the "regimes de signes" composed from early XX Century
> >artistic Avant Guardes.'
> >
> >Yes, Russian psyche is asiatic. One can understand why Putin has said
> >that religion is "absolutely necessary." Gantz's Israeli Resilience
> >Party was presupposed in Shults's passage, below. That passage links to
> >Putin's Media Council writers manipulating the "regimes de signes" just
> >when JP abandons (too soon) the "regimes de signes" trajectory for a
> >more rigorous schizoanalysis. One can sense the theogonic phantom, the
> >shadow-government:
> >
> >'From the point of view of the biocultural sciences of religion, it is
> >important to note that the (use [italics]) in what Deleuze calls
> >"wisdom traditions" is normally wrapped up in shared imaginative
> >engagement with supernatural agents, and so "religious" in the sense I
> >use the term here. In this context, however, my main focus will
> >continue to be on overturning "christ," a particularly resilient Figure
> >who is interpreted within the sacerdotal trajectory of Christian
> >theology as (the [italics]) image of God, in relation to which all
> >human beings are evaluated.'
> >(Shults, Iconoclastic Theology: Gilles Deleuze and the Secretion of
> >Atheism, p. 56)
> >
> >This theogonic imagery is deeply embedded on the hostage populations.
> >It is a naturally addictive media drug.
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