[Deleuze-Guattari] waffling, again...

[hwenk]

Hello,

Bdiou spoke of "Difference and Repetioin"  as some sort of
dogamtic textbook - like he is used from mathematics.

Indeed, also there are always new concepts invented by
especially Guattari, you can take every word teh y
wrote as normal prosition, meat to hav eth truth value truth, that is
true staements whic help you  better tu understan d the world
and to act in it.

Tgerfore  you cab cite Deleuez eand Guatatr i and writ:
"According to Deleuze anfdd Guattari, accpeting their
coherent view:"

"The nature if Deleuze has been more sytstenmatic...".

Now Badiou and me are used from amthematics and other sciences,
that if you don not understand the things down to the details and examples,
you did not understand much.
That is also according to Deleuze and Guattari.

And, it is not so complicated,
for there is nobody who will torture if
some thought is not the last word in the
issue under consideration.
But it is not very helpful, if there
are no consifderations at all in ana email
or a dialog, an answeeer to a question or
an answer to an answewerror
an prsuing sonme issue.

It is a "fals kind of being shy",
as good old Spinoza had put it.

On the other hand,
desorientating discussions by free, spontaneos
irritaing emails is a verys trang misuse of freedom
and friendlieness to concern oneself
with questions of other people.


On main wewoek, explaining Deleuze imn other words
is the book of DeLanda,
which incorporates also mathematics.




greetings Harald Wenk

-----Original Message-----
From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
[mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of martin
hardie
Sent: Freitag, 7. September 2007 18:31
To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] waffling, again...


I'm reviewing a book at the moment, a nice little volume by Ronald Bogue
"Deleuze's Way, Essays in Transverse Ethics and Aesthetics.
The last essay in the book opens as such:

"There are two basic types of commentators on Deleuze and Guattari: those
who seek to extend the experimental conceptual movement of D&G's thought.
adopting the author's language and intensifying its tendencies; and those
who try to frame D&G's thoughtin less esoteric terms, utilizing a more
orthodox, academic terminology and testing the practical limits,
implications and consequences of their thought ...."

although it is fun to write prose that tries to make language stammer with
the constant barrage things just get lost n the haze ...... so i think
sometimes that given this list is dominated by people of the first type it
is hard for those of the second type to feel like they can get a word in or
even a response  ......

that's all, just a thought

Martin

On 07/09/07, james <spatium at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> All
>
> Since I have joined this list, there have been many complaints about
> "waffling" (see one of the recent threads).  Some of which have
> started long tirades, and others which have simply fizzled out.  Since
> it has been brought up again, I feel compelled to make a few points:
>
> - this is, as far as I can tell, an English language mailing list;
> now this isn't to say that other languages are not useful here, but my
> feeeling is that the overall understanding should be provided in
> English; so, if other languages are to be used, including the ever
> more  frequent strains of gibberish, they should be accompanied by
> some kind of translation
>
> - there is a sense, put forward by several list members, that they are
> D&G experts; now, I have no idea what this might mean, but it comes
> across as "D&G would sugggest...", or "D&G intended...", or "what D&G
> mean by this is..."; for my part, I have been studying the writings of
> Deleuze and Guattari for many years now, and in no way do I consider
> myself capable of speaking as a "Deleuzoguatarrian" (or whatever), or
> even elevating their writings to a level where a statement like
> "according to D&G..." has any inherent weight at all; what I  am
> saying here is: is this not a venue for discovery and elaboration,
> rather than banter and point-proving?
>
> - finally, I know that there are (or, at least, were) some great minds
> lurking in the shadows of this list, and while I am sure they are busy
> (and quite frankly, bored by the list), it would be ever so helpful if
> and when a question or statement (or...) arises that they have the
> courage to step forward and put in two or three cents worth; hey,
> maybe some of you might even want to try to stimulate some of the
> other lurkers into some new discussions, just like the good ol' days
> (I mean, the field can't be saturated yet can it?  or is there now a
> fear of exposing research in a world that tends to promote only highly
> competitive academic relations?)
>
> Anyway, sorry for jumping in again, but I would dearly love to see and
> read a post on this list that would have me anticipating my next
> logon...
>
> james
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