[Deleuze-Guattari] waffling, again...

Sat Sep 8 19:50:57 PDT 2007

hi charles, good to hear from you. i take your point about recognition. i would find it a source of some humour if we suddenly had a rush of 'great minds' identifying themselves as such. time committments always an issue. what are you up to these days? i'm now an independent training consultant for the NHS (national health service)and coordinate Psychosis Revisited- a workshop that assimilates the medical model of 'illness' as only one leg on the stool of stability-that is there is the pills only work for one third of people who experience psychosis. So lots of emphasis on different kinds of intervention and listening to psychotic expereinces as sensible texts that have yet to be understood ( minor languages in other words).  the field is way too conservative to even mention D and G but the training is pretty saturated with bits and pieces masqerading under more conventional headings. there's a lot of service users involved in delivery so having great fun getting people to put down their risk assessments and actually collaborate with people expereincing psychosis. i think guattari would have liked it-or i hope he would have as there's a lot of multi-media art involved
and we've just published our first neologism for reflecting on internal states experienced outside the body. D and G gone anonymous in other words. i hope they would have appreciated the humour.

take care ruth.c
Ruth.C  

Sloughing one's skin.-The snake that cannot slough its skin perishes. Likewise spirits which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be spirits (Nietzsche: Daybreak:V:573)   

--- ad4928 at wayne.edu wrote:

From: "Charles J. Stivale" <ad4928 at wayne.edu>
To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] waffling, again...
Date: Sat,  8 Sep 2007 14:55:17 -0400 (EDT)

Hi ruth.c, james and others --
I am a subscriber to the D&G list from the first, and I do recommend the review of some of the archives since there were often some pretty heady debates. I want to point out that desiring the return of clever minds or, as james put it, of the "great minds lurking in the shadows of this list", assumes that such minds a) recognize themselves as such, and b) would self-identify even if they did so. I do get the point -- that a list can only be active if its contributors are active, on all levels of reading and experience. So it is not that such contributors, as far as I can tell, do not have the courage, but more that such contributors have less and less time, given the vagaries of different responsibilities.
Ok enough from me -- hope to continue...
Take care
CJ Stivale

---- Original message ----
>Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 06:50:36 -0700
>From: "Super Dragon" <superdragon at addlebrain.com>  
>Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] waffling, again...  
>To: <deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org>
>
>hi james, yes it has been a bit noisy for a while. clamouring for the name of the dead father, now there's a thought. i too wish some of the clever minds would participate. in a philsophy of the future, the potential 'remains'. it is still quite interesting to observe the 'non-sense' threshold before someone feels compelled to speak 'sensibly' and there's still some really good post in the archives if no one wants to say anything that interests you. maybe you could bring some back from the future! 
>
>looking forward to hearing what you have to say
>ruth.c
>
>Sloughing one's skin.-The snake that cannot slough its skin perishes. Likewise spirits which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be spirits (Nietzsche: Daybreak:V:573)   
>
>
>--- spatium at gmail.com wrote:
>
>From: james <spatium at gmail.com>
>To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>Subject: [Deleuze-Guattari] waffling, again...
>Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:12:04 -0400
>
>All
>
>Since I have joined this list, there have been many complaints about
>"waffling" (see one of the recent threads).  Some of which have
>started long tirades, and others which have simply fizzled out.  Since
>it has been brought up again, I feel compelled to make a few points:
>
> - this is, as far as I can tell, an English language mailing list;
>now this isn't to say that other languages are not useful here, but my
>feeeling is that the overall understanding should be provided in
>English; so, if other languages are to be used, including the ever
>more  frequent strains of gibberish, they should be accompanied by
>some kind of translation
>
>- there is a sense, put forward by several list members, that they are
>D&G experts; now, I have no idea what this might mean, but it comes
>across as "D&G would sugggest...", or "D&G intended...", or "what D&G
>mean by this is..."; for my part, I have been studying the writings of
>Deleuze and Guattari for many years now, and in no way do I consider
>myself capable of speaking as a "Deleuzoguatarrian" (or whatever), or
>even elevating their writings to a level where a statement like
>"according to D&G..." has any inherent weight at all; what I  am
>saying here is: is this not a venue for discovery and elaboration,
>rather than banter and point-proving?
>
>- finally, I know that there are (or, at least, were) some great minds
>lurking in the shadows of this list, and while I am sure they are busy
>(and quite frankly, bored by the list), it would be ever so helpful if
>and when a question or statement (or...) arises that they have the
>courage to step forward and put in two or three cents worth; hey,
>maybe some of you might even want to try to stimulate some of the
>other lurkers into some new discussions, just like the good ol' days
>(I mean, the field can't be saturated yet can it?  or is there now a
>fear of exposing research in a world that tends to promote only highly
>competitive academic relations?)
>
>Anyway, sorry for jumping in again, but I would dearly love to see and
>read a post on this list that would have me anticipating my next
>logon...
>
>james
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