[Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)

Thu Aug 9 03:46:05 PDT 2007

Mr Wenk,

>What I meant is an inconsistency:
>My dictonaries say a dissertation is a Ph.D. thesis, something
>a B.A. student is not skilled for,  not seen to be skilled for.

It is quite common in British Universities for an extended essay to be
written as part of assessment for a BA and this is also usually referred to
as a dissertation. There is no need to suggest deception.

R

On 8/9/07, hwenk <hwenk at web.de> wrote:
>
> Hello Mr. Bale,
>
> in his foreword to the
> american edition of "difference and repetitio",
> Deleuze declared the cahpter three: "image of thought"
> as the most "necessary and most concrte"
> introduction to his other books, aos that
> of the one with Felix Guattari.
>
> In a nutshell:
> Pain at first, hat and love force to think, solving problems.
> Ther is a part, a fram,e, a transcendal part, formed to
> very intensive anfd hard exeperience which gives thes
> categoreis
> of the abilities of percepting, recognition and acting.
> That is "transcendal empirism".
> Under this viewpoint, reecogintion, ceativity, making more fine and
> intrensiv
> and changing the frame - cases: destroy the frame (partly) and change
> the relations of the abilties, every ability is egositic in some way.
>
> The classical "making order out of chaos",
> bring the brain chemistry an the formed
> brain, by memory and categories,
> "harmonic" together, so
> that happiness, joy and more inner and
> ability of acting, understanding and percepting
> are develppoed.
> This is the Appolinian way.
> But the reding  of the chapter is not to dispense with.
>
> In some people or groups, this "subjectivations"
> go "wrong", leading to hard frictions or splits,
> cases mentioned by Guattari in the first chapter of
> chasomosis are the reconserative islamic movements
> and the repression of students in China.
>
> The most striking is that he sees correctly, that much more
> subjectivation is there, the experience
> that things can be changed by subjective grops is
> very common.
> The belief and experience of "eternal" or "everlasting"
> social laws or circumstances fades away.
>
> greetings Harald Wenk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Julia
> Bale
> Sent: Mittwoch, 8. August 2007 15:37
> To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
>
>
> When D&G talk about 'image of thought', that is, thought that is movement
> towards truth, in an effort to avoid violence, (in other words perhaps,
> "defensively poised",) what is it that the threat of violence comes from?
> Is
> it about disorder, or mystery - the unknown? (Guattari refers to the
> disappearance of mystery in the first chapter in chaosmosis.) Do you think
> this is comparable to Appollonian/Dionysion opposition?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of martin
> hardie
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 23:24
> To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
>
>
> is this the tour de france mr wenk?
>
> why does it not fit together...because why?
>
> maybe miss tina should be thrown off the race and sent home to denmark
> .....
> but i don't think mr wenk understands ....
>
> On 08/08/2007, hwenk <hwenk at web.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Tina,
> >
> > that is a quote from your first Email,
> >
> >
> >
> > > Thanks in anticipation, Tina (Cultural Studies BA student)
> >
> >
> > This is a quote from your second Email
> >
> > > This is for my dissertation.
> >
> > (See both below)
> >
> > As anyoone sees, this does not fit together.
> >
> > As I am more interested in truth than in
> > condeming, I would be pleased if you
> > would tell what is going on?
> > This is also because a lot of literature afterwards.
> >
> > So, would you bew so kind to explain?
> > It is difficult to see things not as
> > gaining personal informations of me.
> > As long as the intentions are hidden,
> > this could hardly be sen as friendly.
> >
> > Curois greetings
> >
> > Harald Wenk
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of
> > fin5tr at leeds.ac.uk
> > Sent: Samstag, 4. August 2007 08:44
> > To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> > Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
> >
> >
> > Hello Gerald,
> >
> > Thanks very much for your comprehensive reply.
> >
> > This is for my dissertation. My primary theorist is Deleuze and I'm
> > applying
> > him
> > to a piece of text by R. D. Laing (Knots).
> >
> > I was thinking of using the wound (as in "my wound existed before") as a
> > kind of
> > primal wound of sorts. Rather like how Althusser says that our
> > subjectivity
> > exists before we are even born (in the Freudian sense). So we are born
> > into
> > our
> > oedipal trajectory.
> >
> > Anyway, perhaps I can still do that.
> >
> > Your email was very helpful, thank you, and gave me some avenues to
> > pursue.
> >
> > Are you an academic? What is your interest in Deleuze?
> >
> > Thanks again...
> >
> > Much appreciated, Tina
> >
> >
> > Quoting hwenk <hwenk at web.de> on Fri 03 Aug 2007 21:19:35 BST:
> >
> > > Hello Tina,
> > >
> > > there is a new French edition from 1996,
> > > but I didn't found any translation (here in Germany) - like you,
> > probably.
> > > The text is the last of Deleuze being published,
> > > and it is indeed very abstract.
> > >
> > > I don't know what you are doing,
> > > but "the wound" is a reference in a the last footnote where
> > > the connection between virtuality and
> > > happenings(?) has been elaborated and concretised.
> > >
> > > In a first order approximation
> > > one could see virtualities as
> > > dream/perception/thinking(all together, mixed, and differentiating
> while
> > > "living") - with emotion from the
> > > conscious side. But what is happening on the object side?
> > > A wound is subjective and objective (from medicine).
> > > The wound has also some objective subjective reality,
> > > to speak so, as for some  to have a wound is
> > > in certain limits the same, or recognizable - also understandable,
> > > also to have a wound is do much subjective that you are
> > > brought back sometimes to the
> > > pure life, which is mentioned as example,
> > > even if a bad guy is going to die,
> > > one tries to help.
> > >
> > > But, as I pointed out,
> > > I don't what you want.
> > > Even dreaming of a wound has its objective "effects"
> > > or thinking of a wound - even if you never get one.
> > > I am not trying to speak ex cathedra as
> > > canonical interpretation. Its my own in responding you after reading
> the
> > > text.
> > >
> > > But texts so abstract as this one from Deleuze are best
> > > understood to connect it
> > > to from experience or
> > > possible experience - what is also the theme of
> > > the text itself.
> > >
> > > So, maybe the question: Working on Deleuze without speaking French?
> > > Without any loss?
> > > This is for sure  possible on a B.A. level.
> > > So, to summarize - I am not aware of a translation of
> > > Bousquet and I  think to read
> > > another book of him is not so
> > > helpful in understand the text of Deleuze.
> > > Maybe you look in Difference and repetition
> > > or also in Duns Scot himself - keeping the wound in mind.
> > > But the text of Sartre is also very important for Deleuze,
> > > he quotes it in central passages in "what is philosophy".
> > >
> > >
> > > But, I don't what you know or try to do.
> > >
> > >
> > > Greetings Harald Wenk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> > > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of
> > > fin5tr at leeds.ac.uk
> > > Sent: Freitag, 3. August 2007 17:45
> > > To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> > > Subject: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
> > >
> > >
> > > In 'Immanence: A Life' Deleuze refers to Bousquet's wound and cites
> his
> > work
> > > 'Les Capitales'. Can anyone tell me if this is available in English,
> > please?
> > > If
> > > not, does anyone know which translated works of Bousquet refer
> directly,
> > and
> > > in
> > > detail, to the wound.
> > >
> > > Also, does anyone know where Deleuze expands on this idea of the
> wound,
> > if
> > > he
> > > does at all. Or if anyone else (say, poststructuralist) does.
> > >
> > > Thanks in anticipation, Tina (Cultural Studies BA student)
> > >
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