[Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)

Dr. Harald Wenk hwenk at web.de
Thu Aug 9 07:13:52 PDT 2007 

Hello Mr. Rohan,

Thank you for this information.
Would also have been fine to get it from Tina herself.


greetings Harld Wenk

Am Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:46:05 +0200 schrieb Rohan Orton  
<rohan.orton at gmail.com>:

> Mr Wenk,
>
>> What I meant is an inconsistency:
>> My dictonaries say a dissertation is a Ph.D. thesis, something
>> a B.A. student is not skilled for,  not seen to be skilled for.
>
> It is quite common in British Universities for an extended essay to be
> written as part of assessment for a BA and this is also usually referred  
> to
> as a dissertation. There is no need to suggest deception.
>
> R
>
> On 8/9/07, hwenk <hwenk at web.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Mr. Bale,
>>
>> in his foreword to the
>> american edition of "difference and repetitio",
>> Deleuze declared the cahpter three: "image of thought"
>> as the most "necessary and most concrte"
>> introduction to his other books, aos that
>> of the one with Felix Guattari.
>>
>> In a nutshell:
>> Pain at first, hat and love force to think, solving problems.
>> Ther is a part, a fram,e, a transcendal part, formed to
>> very intensive anfd hard exeperience which gives thes
>> categoreis
>> of the abilities of percepting, recognition and acting.
>> That is "transcendal empirism".
>> Under this viewpoint, reecogintion, ceativity, making more fine and
>> intrensiv
>> and changing the frame - cases: destroy the frame (partly) and change
>> the relations of the abilties, every ability is egositic in some way.
>>
>> The classical "making order out of chaos",
>> bring the brain chemistry an the formed
>> brain, by memory and categories,
>> "harmonic" together, so
>> that happiness, joy and more inner and
>> ability of acting, understanding and percepting
>> are develppoed.
>> This is the Appolinian way.
>> But the reding  of the chapter is not to dispense with.
>>
>> In some people or groups, this "subjectivations"
>> go "wrong", leading to hard frictions or splits,
>> cases mentioned by Guattari in the first chapter of
>> chasomosis are the reconserative islamic movements
>> and the repression of students in China.
>>
>> The most striking is that he sees correctly, that much more
>> subjectivation is there, the experience
>> that things can be changed by subjective grops is
>> very common.
>> The belief and experience of "eternal" or "everlasting"
>> social laws or circumstances fades away.
>>
>> greetings Harald Wenk
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
>> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Julia
>> Bale
>> Sent: Mittwoch, 8. August 2007 15:37
>> To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>> Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
>>
>>
>> When D&G talk about 'image of thought', that is, thought that is  
>> movement
>> towards truth, in an effort to avoid violence, (in other words perhaps,
>> "defensively poised",) what is it that the threat of violence comes  
>> from?
>> Is
>> it about disorder, or mystery - the unknown? (Guattari refers to the
>> disappearance of mystery in the first chapter in chaosmosis.) Do you  
>> think
>> this is comparable to Appollonian/Dionysion opposition?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
>> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of martin
>> hardie
>> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 23:24
>> To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>> Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
>>
>>
>> is this the tour de france mr wenk?
>>
>> why does it not fit together...because why?
>>
>> maybe miss tina should be thrown off the race and sent home to denmark
>> .....
>> but i don't think mr wenk understands ....
>>
>> On 08/08/2007, hwenk <hwenk at web.de> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Tina,
>> >
>> > that is a quote from your first Email,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Thanks in anticipation, Tina (Cultural Studies BA student)
>> >
>> >
>> > This is a quote from your second Email
>> >
>> > > This is for my dissertation.
>> >
>> > (See both below)
>> >
>> > As anyoone sees, this does not fit together.
>> >
>> > As I am more interested in truth than in
>> > condeming, I would be pleased if you
>> > would tell what is going on?
>> > This is also because a lot of literature afterwards.
>> >
>> > So, would you bew so kind to explain?
>> > It is difficult to see things not as
>> > gaining personal informations of me.
>> > As long as the intentions are hidden,
>> > this could hardly be sen as friendly.
>> >
>> > Curois greetings
>> >
>> > Harald Wenk
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
>> > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of
>> > fin5tr at leeds.ac.uk
>> > Sent: Samstag, 4. August 2007 08:44
>> > To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Gerald,
>> >
>> > Thanks very much for your comprehensive reply.
>> >
>> > This is for my dissertation. My primary theorist is Deleuze and I'm
>> > applying
>> > him
>> > to a piece of text by R. D. Laing (Knots).
>> >
>> > I was thinking of using the wound (as in "my wound existed before")  
>> as a
>> > kind of
>> > primal wound of sorts. Rather like how Althusser says that our
>> > subjectivity
>> > exists before we are even born (in the Freudian sense). So we are born
>> > into
>> > our
>> > oedipal trajectory.
>> >
>> > Anyway, perhaps I can still do that.
>> >
>> > Your email was very helpful, thank you, and gave me some avenues to
>> > pursue.
>> >
>> > Are you an academic? What is your interest in Deleuze?
>> >
>> > Thanks again...
>> >
>> > Much appreciated, Tina
>> >
>> >
>> > Quoting hwenk <hwenk at web.de> on Fri 03 Aug 2007 21:19:35 BST:
>> >
>> > > Hello Tina,
>> > >
>> > > there is a new French edition from 1996,
>> > > but I didn't found any translation (here in Germany) - like you,
>> > probably.
>> > > The text is the last of Deleuze being published,
>> > > and it is indeed very abstract.
>> > >
>> > > I don't know what you are doing,
>> > > but "the wound" is a reference in a the last footnote where
>> > > the connection between virtuality and
>> > > happenings(?) has been elaborated and concretised.
>> > >
>> > > In a first order approximation
>> > > one could see virtualities as
>> > > dream/perception/thinking(all together, mixed, and differentiating
>> while
>> > > "living") - with emotion from the
>> > > conscious side. But what is happening on the object side?
>> > > A wound is subjective and objective (from medicine).
>> > > The wound has also some objective subjective reality,
>> > > to speak so, as for some  to have a wound is
>> > > in certain limits the same, or recognizable - also understandable,
>> > > also to have a wound is do much subjective that you are
>> > > brought back sometimes to the
>> > > pure life, which is mentioned as example,
>> > > even if a bad guy is going to die,
>> > > one tries to help.
>> > >
>> > > But, as I pointed out,
>> > > I don't what you want.
>> > > Even dreaming of a wound has its objective "effects"
>> > > or thinking of a wound - even if you never get one.
>> > > I am not trying to speak ex cathedra as
>> > > canonical interpretation. Its my own in responding you after reading
>> the
>> > > text.
>> > >
>> > > But texts so abstract as this one from Deleuze are best
>> > > understood to connect it
>> > > to from experience or
>> > > possible experience - what is also the theme of
>> > > the text itself.
>> > >
>> > > So, maybe the question: Working on Deleuze without speaking French?
>> > > Without any loss?
>> > > This is for sure  possible on a B.A. level.
>> > > So, to summarize - I am not aware of a translation of
>> > > Bousquet and I  think to read
>> > > another book of him is not so
>> > > helpful in understand the text of Deleuze.
>> > > Maybe you look in Difference and repetition
>> > > or also in Duns Scot himself - keeping the wound in mind.
>> > > But the text of Sartre is also very important for Deleuze,
>> > > he quotes it in central passages in "what is philosophy".
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > But, I don't what you know or try to do.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Greetings Harald Wenk
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
>> > > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of
>> > > fin5tr at leeds.ac.uk
>> > > Sent: Freitag, 3. August 2007 17:45
>> > > To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>> > > Subject: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > In 'Immanence: A Life' Deleuze refers to Bousquet's wound and cites
>> his
>> > work
>> > > 'Les Capitales'. Can anyone tell me if this is available in English,
>> > please?
>> > > If
>> > > not, does anyone know which translated works of Bousquet refer
>> directly,
>> > and
>> > > in
>> > > detail, to the wound.
>> > >
>> > > Also, does anyone know where Deleuze expands on this idea of the
>> wound,
>> > if
>> > > he
>> > > does at all. Or if anyone else (say, poststructuralist) does.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks in anticipation, Tina (Cultural Studies BA student)
>> > >
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