[D-G] sorcellerie capitaliste, democracy in Vth BC in Athens.

[Liza Kozner]

ok nobody is interested by this thread, i think it's a good thread .
 
i was saying: Athens elected by chance, the free men where sorted by chance, dices were cast and somebody was elected. In Sorcellerie Capitalist Isabelle Stengers and Philippe Pignarre are talking about "the little hands", they call "little hands" people who give their hands to the MegaMachine DG have discussed in Capture Apparatus. In this book the MegaMachine is called A Sorcellerie, a bewitching operation of capture of body/soul/spirit. 
 
Athens had free men, and slave men and migrants and women and children, were not part of the possibly elected people. That is the Antithesis. Somebody disagreeing with the idea of shifting from what we have now, political parties, responsable, or people who are said to be presentable as responsible, capable to carry the State and the Business, are elected by vote. Each citizen as a right to elect. I say, stop this, now, as this is an Hypocrisy, and actually it has something, it is aHypocrisy in the sense that it is presented as the best or unique form of democracy. I propose to think and do it in the way done at the time of Athens before the Peloponese wars. I say: the Impossibility to intellectualise the an-historic. I affirm you that you cannot say: it is impossible to do the way the Greeks did it. The an-historic is an element, and it is not possible to counterargue that: In Greece the existence of Free Men stands as a simultaneous component to the hazard casting of electing the
 head of the State.
 
I challenge you to contradict this.
 
I think it is a better adventure for Mankind to have each person the possibility, just as in France before 98 there was Military Service, there should be a Civil Service for everybody up to 18 for example, who would be deemed one day, by Hazard, to play an important role, with responsabilities, as a State responsible. I say that it would oblige everything to be re-evaluated, and the concept of responsibility to be recast in a different light, and the simultaneous components of the MegaMachine in which we are led otherwise to play the roles of "little hands", to be re-thought, or simply thought.
 
I ask you to think about this idea, and to give feedback on the idea here in this list, or by sending me private email.
 
Thank for your reading.
 
Liza.

Liza Kozner <liza_kozner at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
what about sort, instead of electing among the responsibles, to elect by sorts, hazard, like in Athens.. possibilities of such idea etc, ask me french translation into english if interest

16 octobre 2005, par liza 


TIRAGE AU SORT.// 


. en train de lire le passage sur "seattle" et les chapîtres précédants. dans SORCELLERIE CAPITALISTE, et j’étais arrivé à penser qu’il pourrait, le livre disait à un moment qu’il serait triste de ne plus imaginer qu’un politicien élu puisse élaborer sa politique et ne pas être séparé de ce qu’il peut. .. et je voulais demander aux auteurs du livre ou aux lecteurs de ce messages de l’idée qui vient de germer suite à cette idée, pourquoi ne pas proposer que les élus soient tirés au sorts commen Grèce ancienne, au lieu d’être comme maintenant ils le sont ici, choisi parmi des membres d’une majorité de responsables. au contraire, demander à chacun de se tenir prêt pour accomplir son service civil, si le sort tombe sur lui/elle cela pourrait forcer quelque chose au niveau de la responsabilité, le concept de responsabilité peut muter. aussi en passant je me disait que cela serait une différente sorte de machine, que en tout cas comme cela se passait à Athènes, cela témoignait d’une vie
différente, je me demandais ce que , ce que cela demanderait comme efforts ou comme possibilité, que ce type de vote, dans l’esprit de ceux qui sont intéressés par cela me disent ce qu’ils en pensent donc si vous voulez.

liza

ps to webmaster : je sais pas envoyer ailleurs j ai donc laissé cet article ici en pensant que vous le déplaceriez s’il vous gênait.

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