[D-G] Deleuze and Guattari on Brexit

Mike Lansing badger2 at mail2world.com
Thu Jan 10 09:35:23 PST 2019

The question of superego is already schizoid. Either collective or a
singularity. This means that the perpetrator can rely on the polarity
with which to establish a supposedly valid argument.

Guattari, SC, p.31-2: 'The Maps of Subjectivity. Before going any
further with our examination of the cartographic possibilities opened
up by our four functors FTPhiU, we must ask ourselves about the status
of the present theoretical undertaking. Our principle concern is to
develop a conceptual framework that might protect schizoanalysis from
every temptation to give in to the ideal of scientificity that
ordinarily prevails in the 'psy' domains, like a collective Superego.
We will seek instead to find a foundation for it that will make it
similar to the aesthetic disciplines, by its mode of valorization, its
type of truth and its logic.'

Guattari's Figure 1.4 has Gulen's rump perched precisely at the
location in the diagram: 'territorial refuges for the repressed.' Gulen
seems to think he can rely on the deceptions built into the U.S.
Constitution due to prepositions such as "freedom of religion" in
variance to "freedom from religion," as well as the nieve, trusting
nature of the U.S. prisoners. In addition, Johnny Pett may wish to show
us where in the literature D&G contradict themselves against their
statement in ATP: 'The state always arises already formed.'

Ironically, it is in Jacques Lacan, Politics, Aesthetics, that Apollon
exposes the State as fundamentally terrorist.

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: Mike Lansing [badger2 at mail2world.com]
>Sent: 1/9/2019 4:16:59 PM
>To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>Subject: Re: [D-G] Deleuze and Guattari on Brexit
>It is both church and state that comes under scrutiny. Gulen is
>on the US founding fathers in such non-separationist copulations, and
>we can show where in Gulen's youtube video that he is doing this. The
>interest includes the fact that the Klebnikov murder investigation is
>in its 14th year, and the statute of limitations apparently runs out at
>15 years. That is why the U.S. State Department has recently honored
>two slain journalists, Klebnikov being one of them (12 July 2018) and
>has prodded Russia to solve the case (2017). Since Klebnikov's
>Conversation with a Barbarian is the book that likely got him killed,
>we will scrutinize Gulen's establishment of schools in the U.S. as well
>as his cathecting of one of the world's most dangerous pieces of
>self-glossing literature, the Qur'an, let alone its comparisons to
>another of the world's most dangerous pieces of self-glossing
>literature, the Bible. Since one of Klebnikov's killers was in prison
>in Saudi Arabia, and the sentence was reduced if the prisoner could
>recite without hesitation a portion of the Qur'an, it is of interest,
>because the same prisoner is now being held in the Ukraine as a
>time-piece for Russia to contemplate between nations and their
>importations-deportations and trades of these psychopathologies based
>on the violence and stupidity of religiously-compromised human DNA.
><-----Original Message-----> 
>>From: Johnatan Petterson [internet.petterson at gmail.com]
>>Sent: 1/8/2019 4:30:52 PM
>>To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>>Subject: Re: [D-G] Deleuze and Guattari on Brexit
>>i don't understand much your interest into this guy.
>>the contradiction is unapparent because Deleuze and Guattari
>>were producing in ATP a state of exception: they tried to accelerate
>>from the lines with such claims as "the state is never progressively
>>the migrants from UK who built the USA, were called the Founding
>>They are a state and church copulation. Or maybe its me who's wrong,
>>who sees
>>some benefits in America, creating an escape from Medieval Europe.
>>Yet, I admire your visionary insistence upon calling into question
>>I don't know: do you see him as a burden for you? What if the US
>>returns Gulen
>>to Turkey? Who's by the way in charge of disagreeing with the
>>orders in case they are written?
>>You seem to prefer Erdogan over Gulen? I understand Gulen is less hair
>>splitting than Erdogan.
>>The advantage when you let the imagination dream about Gulen in
>>with helping the case of the Ghersi revolt (because Gulen is a
>>psychological tool ) What do you see the Earth looking alike
>>in the future? Do you see a return of the Ottoman Empire? Will it be
>>post World War I autocratic sharia regime?
>>Le lun. 7 janv. 2019 à 17:47, Mike Lansing <badger2 at mail2world.com> 
>>écrit :
>>> Gulen's movement is to meld church and state via sharia law. Here
>>> think of xian Democrats in Italy, or Badiou's "underside of law, the
>>> non-law within law," so Gulen's presence in Pennsylvania does matter
>>> just as Islamic immigrants matter in Europe. D&G have much more to
>>> about the Gulen-style Colonizer in AO and ATP, and Gulen's refugia
>>> estate was presupposed in Guattari's Schizoanalytic Cartographies,
>>> Figure 1.4. If you have opened to page 32, you can see the diagram:
>>> stratified flows<--------> splitting of the self <-------
>>> refuges for the repressed.' Gulen's Pennsylvania hideout may not
>>> a refuge if he is deported.
>>> The tricky part of it concerns U.S. troop withdrawal from Syria:
>>> vs. Kurds, the latter being U.S. allies against ISIS, though Turkey
>>> accuses Gulenists of aligning with Kurdish against the Turkish
>>> In Paul Klebnikov's Razgovor s varvarom (Conversations with a
>>> Barbarian), the radical Chechen islamist Nukhaev describes his
>>> as "state-building." This church-and-state copulation is Gulen's
>>> operandi, reminiscent of the Colonizer in Creek territory. The
>>> contradiction is that Deleuze and Guattari think that the State
>>> arises already fully formed.
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