[D-G] cartes, maps of geopolitical communications

Mike Lansing badger2 at mail2world.com
Mon Feb 11 12:07:15 PST 2019


Theo's ego death is electrical. This is how life began:

Miller-Urey Experiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment

Deleuze knew about volcanoes. 

<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: Johnatan Petterson [internet.petterson at gmail.com]
>Sent: 2/8/2019 8:00:46 PM
>To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>Subject: Re: [D-G] cartes, maps of geopolitical communications
>
>Can you provide us listeners to the amino acid volcanic electro
production
>linkage please?
>
>Why to oppose Knowledge and Atheism systematically to blind Faith and
>Religion? Do your reader fear something hidden by his own stagger
thinking
>in immanence? Are you incapable to ascertain your reader's ego?
>is She the one forgoing of this literate definitive disaster? This
>scientific atheism is a very tortuous self hating schizophrenic blind
>faith, do you know. Its electrical.
>
>I shall specifically code that link in fluo ( see the fluo appearing in
>previous today's post). The will to maintain with Derrida that Time is
out
>of Bonds and the Death of God is just the obstinate dark moon Faith to
>ground your Elder's Religion,
>the ones i mean according to whom vanishing traces of previous times,
the
>Dead Star sucking will absorbs the DG archives. the law from Past,
>backwards to the Future is in Danger. Who needs that? Somebody who
dares
>not take the risk to Think.
>To Think means to create a Republic and to Forget what in Future time
has
>become not useful. What has thus helped thence the focal length in
Vision
>created by Sciences is useful. whereas Philosophy helping Science is
dead
>matter. Something God and Death discards.
>Dead Matter feeds recycling. Recycling emails helps get rid of Oil
>Addictions. Many emails = many old minerals burned in Electric Energy.
=>
>Good Fortune, many awards in the Entertainment Industry.
>Likewise the Religious Organisations like Putin's are not really true
or
>religious, this is a dark political affair. You are right to point that
>out. Long live the acidos aminos but please send the Badiou experiment
>in a dogmatic scientific way so we can understand what indeed you
meant by
>it and by "science" and "knowledge" as opposed to "faith" see if this
still
>means anything in the obscurantist delight of the Era of Putin's armies
>singing, marching to
>the sound and color gamma of a home 64x windows 10 computer .
>
>Johnny
>
>Le sam. 9 févr. 2019 à 02:02, Mike Lansing <badger2 at mail2world.com> a
>écrit :
>
>> James does not cover god's Time problem as well as Haegglund does
>> (Radical Atheism: Derrida and the Time of Life). Haegglund aptly
shows
>> the impossibility of god from many angles. To reconsider James'
>> pragmatism is still a worthwhile enterprise, in your previous post.
>> Successive desubjectivation....can there still be religiosity of
>> Sciences called incorrigible after the Miller-Urey volcanic spark
>> experiment literally presupposes Deleuze: "Nevertheless, god dances
on
>> a volcano." (D&R). The first amino acids of life began at the mouth
of
>> a volcano, when gases were electrified, and perhaps samples returned
>> someday from Mars will reiterate the earthly mechanism. As Guattari
has
>> said to the effect that there is nothing unique in the way thought
>> thinks through DNA (SC, Sade, Juliette). A hidden religion, the
spectre
>> that drives Putin's confidence, is not universal in the hostage
>> populations. There is liberation from it, even if it seems to be
>> everywhere.
>>
>> Miller-Urey is knowledge replacing faith. The order out of chaos came
>> from these beginnings. There is no spirituality whatsoever involved.
>> Pure mechanosphere, Guattari's project being radically atheist, a
most
>> delicious chaosmosis, reading Rimbaud for its literary value rather
>> than Rimbaud as letcher. 'Transcendence built by many citizens' could
>> be taken as the christ who plays a role, but the why not is more
>> interesting: Bergsonian Triplicity of Flux....why not make do with
just
>> the flight of the bird and the gliding of the boat?....because of
god's
>> Time problem, of course, the Derridean Trace and the fact that if
there
>> is a god, it is necessarily morta. Derrida goes even further in that
>> "god is death." Of course, absolute knowledge is also death.
>>
>> 'What is Philosophy, 213. The paradigm here is again Spinoza, for
whom
>> god's power simply expresses the infinite perfection of his essence:
>> god act and produces only through his essence, and not through an
>> understanding or a will.' (Desert Islands and Other Texts). Badiou
>> concludes his review of Deleuze's book on Leibnitz with a similar
>> point: whereas Leibnitz affirms a concept of mind affirmed as
presence,
>> force or 'strength, and not action' (LB, 119), Badiou insists any
>> viable notion of militant and transformative truth must conceive it
as
>> 'action and not presence' (Badiou, 'Deleuze: The Fold).
>> (Hallward P, Out of This World: Deleuze and the Philosophy of
Creation)
>>
>> At this point, Badiou links well with both Guattari and Haegglund,
>> whereby G morphs Time against the grain whilst H dissolves god. But
>> Hallward goes 'bananas' at the end of the book:
>>
>> 'As Deleuze understands it, living contemplation proceeds at an
>> immeasurable distance from what is merely lived, known or decided.
Life
>> lives and creation creates on a virtual plane that leads forever out
of
>> our actual world. Few philosophers have been as inspiring as Deleuze.
>> But those of us who still seek to change our world and to empower its
>> inhabitants will need to look for our inspiration elsewhere.'
>> (Hallward, op cit)
>>
>> Nuts. Hallward has problems applying his "life lives and creation
>> creates" to the Miller-Urey volcanic spark experiment, which reveals
>> that Badiou's transformative truth of the amino acids of life are
both
>> action (and [italics]) presence.
>>
>>
>> <-----Original Message----->
>> >From: Johnatan Petterson [internet.petterson at gmail.com]
>> >Sent: 2/8/2019 7:48:10 AM
>> >To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>> >Subject: Re: [D-G] cartes, maps of geopolitical communications
>> >
>> >hello Mike..
>> >
>> >i have sent to this list last summer a post on 
><<'Pragmatism'>>,
>> >the book
>> >by William James
>> >I think it is apt to answer to the ? of considering in one same 
>breadth
>> >Atheism and Religion,
>> >when the Atheist reason of Religion follows the flight line
>> Christianity
>> >>>
>> >Protestant >> Pragmatist >> Deleuze
>> >within a refinement of the line of escape, a successive
>> desubjectivation,
>> >with add-ons relays like
>> >Nietzsche, who in <<Mas alla del Bien y del Mal>> 
>discusses and
>> >pokes fun
>> >at the FreeThinker as eater of bifsteak, and in "<<Wagner 
>casus>>"
>> >discusses how his compositor of Tristan & Ysold mentor encouraged
him
>> in
>> >stopping bifsteak eating. Nietzsche was a vegan.
>> >in <<Mas alla del Bien y del Mal>> Nietzsche as well 
>expresses all
>> >his
>> >doubt on false pretenses of atheism.
>> >on the religiosity of Sciences, as an '' indécrottable ' 
>'incorrigible'
>> >habit of thought. I think, having browsed the reference that you 
>bring
>> >by Shults <<Iconoclastic Theology Gilles Deleuze and the 
>secretion of
>> >Atheism>> this biocultural current of thought is no exception, 
>to this
>> >hidden religion . There is actually no escape to Religion, or 
>religion.
>> >already posted here aswell, the "Refrain" plateau where in
>> >DG talk about the "Earth religion" of animals, vegetals and religion
>> >(Mircea Eliade). In Shinto the objects are ghosts, they have souls.
>> >We are animals, and animals with emotions. The liberation of 
>Feelings,
>> last
>> >chapter in Shultz book defending atheism
>> >might give you the clue between the lines on the incorrigible
>> religiosity
>> >of Man. Animals with emotions which
>> >are connexions to the environment of the Monad or Modus. Thus
>> _potentially_
>> >dynamically connected to a beyond to Earth. to other Galaxies, to
>> Quasars
>> >?...
>> >
>> >what indeed
>> > DG discuss in What is Philosophy? is the nature, the connexions
with
>> which
>> >the Modus sets up his plane:: how to link connexions to each other?
>> >when Is it a Mandala, or is it a Concept? Is it Cold Painting
>> (Classical
>> >Projectivism) or is it Explorative Painting (Van Gogh, Cezanne) ?
>> >Is it a distant rule by a Plane of Transcendance, or a bath of
>> Immanence
>> >built by many citizens?
>> > is it
>> > 1)the vertical projection allusion to the historical Atlantis: 
>Xerxes
>> -
>> >Darius Despotism
>> >in relation to Ionian physicists tearing off an european 
>Transcendance
>> from
>> >asian Immanence and offering the ambivalent Mask
>> (Transcendance-Immanence
>> >two faces of the same seductive coin) Mask thence
>> >offered to Philosophy, Athens offering it to Aristoteles and Plato,
>> used
>> >later in Islamo-Christian Sciences --
>> >and later borrowed to many including Spinoza and Deleuze;
>> >OR
>> >2) is it religious historical freedom as testified in Herodotus in
>> romances
>> >and stories?
>> >
>> >The question is political, not ontological. In Bartleby ou la
Formule
>> CC
>> >essay Deleuze talks about "Confidence" and refers it to William
James
>> in
>> >Pragmatism who talks and equals "Confidence" with "Faith". You can 
>read
>> >this essay or the one on Bartleby as a correction by Deleuze on the
>> work by
>> >William James (and Deleuze knew how Henry
>> >Miller in his essay on Rimbauld the Time of the Assasin, wherein 
>Miller
>> >praises "Faith" above all else as a quality lacking in Arthur 
>Rimbauld
>> ).
>> >
>> >in CC<<Bartleby ou la formule>>,
>> >Deleuze wants to distinguish between 'Confidence' and 'Faith'. One
>> >(confidence) is helping a lot for his readers, our contemporaneous,
>> >the other sucks deep for his readers our contemporaneous:
>> ><<Mais pour cela il faut aussi que le sujet connaissant, 
>l'unique
>> >propriétaire, cède la place à une communauté d'explorateurs,
>> précisément
>> >les frères de l'archipel,
>> >qui remplacent la connaissance par la croyance,
>> >ou plutôt par la <<confiance>> : non pas croyance en un 
>autre
>> >monde,
>> >mais confiance en ce monde-ci, et en l'homme autant qu'à Dieu
>> >( " je vais tenter l'ascension d'Ofo _ avec espérance, non avec 
>foi...
>> _
>> >j'irai par mon propre chemin " ) p111 CC *
>> >
>> >the question again is the relations between the "célibataires" the
>> >emotions, the constitution of a republic of explorers.
>> >the exploration of intensities, the skills of distance between
>> >célibataires. (= bachelors)
>> >
>> >so why not Christ to play some role in this practice ? For instance 
>the
>> >Figure plays a role in one or two novel by DH Lawrence.
>> >Or Didi Huberman explores Catholicism "Incarnation" and Denys
>> l'Aeropagyte
>> >precious stones in his book on Fra Angelico.
>> >
>> >-
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >*this sentence actually comes from Herman Melville essay of 
>archipelago
>> >stories on the Galapagos Islands.
>> >
>> >Why do you say that Ben-yamin Gantz (this guy who was in the 
>Isrealian
>> Army
>> >as Chief of Staff Etats Major) had his friend Masud (? in
Afhanistan 
>?)
>> >killed by people from Brussels? You confuse everything!
>> >
>> >Best regards,
>> >
>> >Johhnny
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Le ven. 8 févr. 2019 à 01:55, Mike Lansing 
><badger2 at mail2world.com> a
>> >écrit :
>> >
>> >> It's the theogonic-type of regimes de signes that is 
>manipulating the
>> >> hostages, even if there is little or no religious discourse. 
>Your
>> idea
>> >> of a resilient (but also consistently stable) Putin-as-christ 
>makes
>> >> sense as does the symbology for the xian soldier, Gantz: 
>symbolic
>> >> father figure and christ-son. Gantz was friends with Masud who 
>was
>> >> killed by some radicals from Molenbeek, a connection that will 
>be
>> kept
>> >> in mind. A shadow government, a self-perpetuating sign regime 
>with
>> >> moral imperatives driving a sustained repression due to 
>integrated
>> >> theogonic forces, as Putin has declared these forces necessary.
>> >>
>> >> 'By chipping away at the iconic function of christ, I hope to 
>help
>> >> unveil the dynamics that lead people to desire their own 
>(religious
>> >> [italics]) repression. This too will require creating new 
>concepts
>> and
>> >> making new connections. How does one go about the process of
>> >> construction? Deleuze recommends that one must begin within the
>> social
>> >> formation in which one finds oneself.
>> >>
>> >> "Lodge yourself on a stratum, experiment with the opportunities 
>it
>> >> offers, find an advantageous place on it, find potential 
>movements of
>> >> deterritorialization, possible lines of flight, experience them,
>> >> produce flow conjunctions here and there, try out continuums of
>> >> intensities segment by segment, have a small plot of new land at 
>all
>> >> times" (TP, 178). The social formation in which I find myself is
>> >> largely stratified by monotheistic religions, even -- or 
>especially
>> --
>> >> when the role of these coalitional forces is ignored or 
>downplayed.
>> >> Increasingly one hears the voices of "new atheists" protesting
>> against
>> >> this stratification. Why is it so easy for people to ignore 
>these
>> >> protests? My strategy is to begin from the inside, so to speak, 
>and
>> to
>> >> work outward, testing Deleuze's suggestive hypothesis that
>> Christianity
>> >> in particular has a special role to play in the secretion of 
>atheism.
>> >> What potential movements of deterritorialization, what possible 
>lines
>> >> of flight can we find already (within [it.]) christianity 
>theology
>> >> itself? As atheists have learned over the centuries, however, 
>poking
>> at
>> >> problematic doctrinal reasoning or questionable moral practices 
>in
>> >> religion has surprisingly little effect. If we really want to
>> dissolve
>> >> the power of (religious [it.]) repression, we need more 
>leverage; we
>> >> need to understand the mental and social mechanisms that
>> >> surreptitiously produce and automatically reproduce this 
>phenomenon
>> >> across cultures. Here we are aided by discoveries within the
>> >> bio-cultural sciences of religion, which have exposed the 
>evolved
>> >> cognitive and coalitional processes through which the gods 
>(including
>> >> christ) are imaginatively born(e).'
>> >> (Shults, op cit, p. 9)
>> >>
>> >> Putin's 'necessary' religion necessarily produces it automatons
>> between
>> >> elections. And the machine works. Be sure of it.
>> >>
>> >> <-----Original Message----->
>> >> >From: Johnatan Petterson [internet.petterson at gmail.com]
>> >> >Sent: 2/7/2019 5:18:29 PM
>> >> >To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>> >> >Subject: Re: [D-G] cartes, maps of geopolitical 
>communications
>> >> >
>> >> >If I follow you right, the hostage populations in Russia 
>hold Putin
>> >to
>> >> >be the resilient Figure of Christ ??
>> >> >
>> >> >How come Gantz & Lapid and Resilience Party be connected to 
>that
>> >> theology?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Where does fit in the Shadow Government in Shultz quoted 
>passage
>> >below?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >============
>> >> >
>> >> >~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> >
>> >> >============
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >JP wrote: It's instead the ingenuous use by Putin's more or 
>less
>> >secret
>> >> >Council of the "regimes de signes" composed from early XX 
>Century
>> >> >artistic Avant Guardes.'
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, Russian psyche is asiatic. One can understand why Putin 
>has
>> said
>> >> >that religion is "absolutely necessary." Gantz's Israeli 
>Resilience
>> >> >Party was presupposed in Shults's passage, below. That 
>passage
>> links
>> >to
>> >> >Putin's Media Council writers manipulating the "regimes de 
>signes"
>> >just
>> >> >when JP abandons (too soon) the "regimes de signes" 
>trajectory for a
>> >> >more rigorous schizoanalysis. One can sense the theogonic 
>phantom,
>> >the
>> >> >shadow-government:
>> >> >
>> >> >'From the point of view of the biocultural sciences of 
>religion, it
>> >is
>> >> >important to note that the (use [italics]) in what Deleuze 
>calls
>> >> >"wisdom traditions" is normally wrapped up in shared 
>imaginative
>> >> >engagement with supernatural agents, and so "religious" in 
>the
>> sense
>> >I
>> >> >use the term here. In this context, however, my main focus 
>will
>> >> >continue to be on overturning "christ," a particularly 
>resilient
>> >Figure
>> >> >who is interpreted within the sacerdotal trajectory of 
>Christian
>> >> >theology as (the [italics]) image of God, in relation to 
>which all
>> >> >human beings are evaluated.'
>> >> >(Shults, Iconoclastic Theology: Gilles Deleuze and the 
>Secretion of
>> >> >Atheism, p. 56)
>> >> >
>> >> >This theogonic imagery is deeply embedded on the hostage
>> populations.
>> >> >It is a naturally addictive media drug.
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