[D-G] Harald's posts

Sun May 1 09:34:21 PDT 2011

Jeff M--

It's an interesting point.  On Foucault's view in "What is an Author?" (It's Barthes who wrote "The Death of the Author"), the author function isn't the same in all texts.  It's typically a socially-constructed convention, or at least, if we want to inject another idea here, the product of an interpretive community. So for Foucault the author isn't equally dead in all instances ;-) I've been on this list for a long time, although I've almost never posted to it before this.  I've noticed, for example, that people tend to use screen names; this is perhaps to avoid being embarassed or hurt if they are wrong about something. The flip side of this is, of course, that we could bash one another freely, unconcerned about embarassing a free-floating signifier like a screen name.

Dunno. I like owning my ideas, even if they're misunderstood.  It's a form of rigor, but I say that only for myself.

Jeff Cain

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Subject: Re: [D-G] Harald's posts

What strikes me with this thread is the the manner in which text media is changing the methods in which we communicate both on the "front-end" (analysis) and even more on the "back-end" in this case a hurt feeling and the subsequent apology....this opens multiple possibilities within the Foucauldian frame of  "the author is dead" notion.  Lastly, if we are utilizing Deleuze in the purest form...should we ever hesitate to unleash a response from within?

Jeff Morrison

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On Apr 30, 2011, at 7:38 PM, <henrybrs at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> bad choice of words on my part.   in my clumsy way I was simply trying to suggest that when someone adopts a specific set of terms from one discipline and applies them in another it might not hurt to understand how they worked in their original context (not say that philosophers never take words with established meanings and supply them with brand new ones).  I imagine malgosia knows far more about it than I do, having shepherded this list along all these many years, yet did not rule out the possibility in the first reply to your post.  here ends my non-contribution.
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> -----Original Message----- From: Cain, Prof. Jeffrey P.
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 1:04 PM
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> Henry, just to be clear, I wasn't claiming to be "right" about anything--just wondering out loud whether mathematical terms are sometimes, to the detriment of rigorous discourse--used metaphorically.  But possibly you meant something quite different.  As I'm discovering rather late in life, I like math anyway, DeLanda or no DeLanda:)
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> Best,
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> Jeff
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> from the introduction to intensive science and virtual philosophy by manuel
> delanda:
> "I draw on the same mathematical resources as Deleuze (differential
> geometry, group theory) but, unlike him, I do not assume the reader is
> already familiar with these fields.  Deleuze's grasp of the technical
> details involved is, I hope to show completely adequate (by analytical
> philosophy standards), but his discussion of technical details is so
> compressed, and assumes so much on the part of the reader, that it is bound
> to be misinterpreted."
> I'm not saying whose right and who's wrong, but if I were you I'd keep
> auditing that math class.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cain, Prof. Jeffrey P.
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:37 AM
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> Needess to say, I've been paying close attention to the discussion as it
> goes forward and shall continue to do so.  One thing that slightly concerns
> me is the possibility that in some contexts mathematical terms can be used
> as metaphors rather than as words with a solid denotative sense.  This, it
> seems to me, would not be all that productive, although I'm the least
> skilled in the bunch at the moment. I hasten to add that I'm not charging
> anyone with doing that, just pointing out that it's a potential pitfall.
> Actually, I sometimes think Lacan is doing it--his use of the "asymptote" is
> an example, perhaps not a good one--and definitely don't want to think D&G
> are.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Jeff
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> [deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org] on behalf of malgosia askanas
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> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:41 AM
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> Dear All,
>
> Harald claims that his computer sabotages his writing and prevents him from
> making its surface less opaque.   If any of you find yourself joyously
> deciphering his posts, it would be greatly appreciated if you could repost a
> less opaque version of them.
>
> -m
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