[D-G] On Schizophrenia
teresa.mayne at gmail.com
Wed Jan 12 16:06:18 PST 2011
I'm sorry that I couldn't resist putting my two-sense in this discussion.
Super Dragon while I think that your experience with you colleague is
wonderful, I don't think it is all that common. My mother was
schizophrenic and she was the most rational person that I have to this day
ever known, but that rationality seemed to be a curse. Newspapers were
plastered on every wall with chunks highlighted; there were never ending
questions on everything you could imagine and it wouldn't matter what the
responses were, they got weaved into her paranoia. While she was on occasion
violent, I think now that I had time to reflect on it, it was out of
frustration - frustration that she had no rest, frustration that she was
surrounded by clones that only had the faces of her kidnapped children. She
was an artist, she loved ancient greek literature and she at times could be
very warm. Anyways that is not from the DSM - that is from life. While I
do think that the positive qualities of schizophrenia are extremely
valuable, I would not wish that life on my worst enemy.
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Julia Barclay <julia.barclay at googlemail.com
> Your friend's experience as a scientist is interesting. Do you think
> there's a relationship with so-called schizophrenia and shamanism? I ask
> because I have a friend who has not been diagnosed as schizophrenic but does
> work with 'guides' in her work as a modern-day shaman. Just wondering as it
> seems possible, yes?
> So much of how we see all this stuff is socially constructed and I fear we
> are way too in thrall with the medical model these days.
> Always love to hear your comments super dragon.
> On 12 Jan 2011, at 18:14, Super Dragon wrote:
> > The statistical case is that a person with a diagnosis of schizophrenia (
> whatever that actually means today as the DSM keeps shifting) is more likely
> to be a victim of violence or hurt themselves than be the perpetrator. It is
> also the case that one only usually hears about people with a diagnosis of
> schizophrenia when they are involved in violence against others thus
> perpetuating the hyperbole. I have never seen a report saying person with
> diagnosis of schizophrenia did anything positive. Also not all delusions are
> persecutory or about harm. They have been known to give helpful advice. One
> of my colleagues regularly acts on her voices and she's now a high flying
> research scientist.
> > Sloughing one's skin.-The snake that cannot slough its skin perishes.
> Likewise spirits which are prevented from changing their opinions; they
> cease to be spirits (Nietzsche: Daybreak:V:573)
> > --- l.ogrady at gmail.com wrote:
> > From: Louie <l.ogrady at gmail.com>
> > To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> > Subject: Re: [D-G] On Schizophrenia
> > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:41:36 +0000
> > journal abstract:
> > 'Some people hear voices that are the products only of processes in
> > their brains. These hallucinations can lead to persistent delusions
> > that someone is plotting against them or urging them to harm others.
> > When a person acts on those delusions, headline-grabbing tragedy can
> > ensue, usually involving someone close to the protagonist.'
> > ...I think I'll pass.
> > On 07/12/2010, charles hubaker <solntsepyati at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Nature (11 Nov 2010) devotes a large portion of the issue to the subject
> >> schizophrenia.
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