[D-G] Deleuze-Guattari Digest, Vol 64, Issue 5

Harald Wenk hwenk at web.de
Tue Jun 22 05:11:13 PDT 2010


Dear Chris,

If you mean plainly, a woman or a man, people,
instead of a theory of the body,
it would be a question of a desire machine.

Concerning your neurological pains.
the neurlogical machine is very fine and
enlarging this machine is often
connected with pain.
In my experience, some movements,
at best of yoga are needed.

In "How to make a body without organs",
pain plays a role for masochistic practices,

But, there is a history
of flagenalism,
using neurological pain
for systematic subjectivation,
uesed in oriental sufism too.


As we "don't know what the body is able to",
as Guattari and Deleuze liked to cite Spinoza,
some effects, known in yoga as "siddhis",
or "superantural (unusual) abilites",
or some "supernatural phanomena" may occur.

"Synchronicity" as often used by Jung
or some sort of "clairvoyance".

There are even more advanced ones.

 These effects of body of blood and flesh, as the brain itself,
are very "negelectd" by our culture of body and mind.

D&G  seem to have not been very aquainted with that.

Nietsche and Artaud were not aquaited with it too,
in spite tehat oreintal sufismis not so absoute denying
war and brute force than yoga.
I suspect, that did not got the real opportunity.

In theory, quantum field theory does it as an explanation.

Maybe it is a bit old fashioned and due to experience with
real machines, but in my eyes  enlarging the dynmics or traffic in the
neocortex
is a very fundamental tool for subjectivation.


This seems to me   be a souvenir of mankind
encoded a lot of sytems of practices.

Here an intelligent choice, as proposed by D&G, helps a lot.


There maybe another way of understanding your "idealistic bodies",
As the body is  reassembeld,
a sort of  abstract machine for building the body
maybe substituted as notion for the body istself.
This seems to be the interpretation of some Spinoza readers.

Rieamnn surfaces are the  genectc exaample of manifolds,
as you may find in Herman WEyls "THe ifdea of a reimann surface"
where the modern general definition of manifolds
is rooted back to the example of riemann surfacses.

The give a full classification of the topology of oriented surfaces.

one dimension as a colour is connected to spectral analysis of light,
like the rainbow from christals, istn't it?



greetings

Harald Wenk

PS: I am a puzzled, that you confirm such uncritical a diagnsosis like 
aspereger.
Is it a new form verbal of sphisticated politeness to "molecularize" 
realtionships?
If not, the probability to finf people with the same "wavelength" of 
r"chemistry" or something like that
is for specialized peolpe withh an academic noamdic life far samller, than 
"normality" of
rates of relationsships.

Nervous pain and being blocked (D&G) or Tamas (slowness) are known 
"neurlogical" stages, if you do yoga,
in the devlepoment of the brain, staes, if you don't.

I got the "helper syndrome", well known from social work.

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> On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 15:27 +0100, Louie wrote:
>> Interesting thoughts, though I would be interested in getting some
>> references in regards to your points. For example, I can't remember
>> reading
>> any d&g where they aligned the analog with the human body against the
>> digital societies of control, it surprises me very much that they
>> would
>> align anything with 'human' as positive
>
> Thanks for this comment. I may be wrong and on re-reading "postscript on
> societies of control" I cannot find the reference that sparked this
> thought.
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> Other then that, Maria Angel at UWS, suggested I look in this direction.
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> If I do find the reference, will pass it on, best wishes, cj
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> -- 
> have chronic fatigue syndrome so may be delayed in reply or brain fog
> weird
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> just to let you know that's all, Chris Jones.
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> Blog: http://abdevpoetics.blogspot.com/
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> From: Chris Jones <ccjones56 at bigpond.com>
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> On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 15:27 +0100, Louie wrote:
>> Interesting thoughts,
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> I should add an extra thanks, since it appears I was looking in the
> wrong place. Perhaps what I should look at is Deleuze's absolute
> idealism as an absolute continuity between thought and the flesh and
> blood human body. That would get me to the naked body, which thought
> would clothe as the nude figure.
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> I am interested, as a poet and artist in the nude figure against the
> naked figure.
> -- 
> have chronic fatigue syndrome so may be delayed in reply or brain fog
> weird
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> just to let you know that's all, Chris Jones.
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