[D-G] all things indian

Paul adrian Bains pbains at xtra.co.nz
Sat Jan 17 14:11:14 PST 2009

>No need to be sorry-I am not!
I guessed you'd say that...I was going to put 'smile' after the sorry. 

Louis Malle made a 9hr doco on India: 'Phantom India' in the 70's. There is a bit on Aurosville. 
The other place that seems to never die is Osho's ashram in Poona. This is the guy who had the largest collection of Rolls in the world. They were all ultimately sold to a texas car dealer. His 'followers' built a 10km road on the ranch in the US so he could drive around...I have heard this explained as a zen critique of materialism....lol

Peter Brook's production of the Mahabharata is also worth a look if you are into the indian (I think there must be a dvd version).

I always had a soft spot for Gurdjieff, 'Life is only real then, when "I am".' The book is downloadable at:


The book was published by his scheming relatives, shouldn't have been, it is an  unfinished work, but I like the title. His main thing was of course 'the movements.' 


From: Super Dragon <superdragon at addlebrain.com>
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Sent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 11:04:09 PM
Subject: Re: [D-G] 1949 Diss. on Spinoza and Vedanta

No need to be sorry-I am not! The experiential learning has been indispensible to current work-I would not now chose not to have had the episodes although, at the same time, it is not a path I can responsibly recommend to anyone else.

Thanks for the references-it is the spiritual materialism that interests me-I'm reading Aurobindo's The Life Divine at present-quite a chewy read but these seems to be some Bergson influence on key terms ( as well as out and out dislike for Nietzsche). Aurobindo is one of the more 'Western' Indian thinkers (studied in France) and his Integral Yoga has already been (badly) 'popularized' by Bede Griffiths attempts to marry it to catholic doctrine on the trinity. As you suggest, folowers tend to be barking...although Aurobindo is interesting in so far as he ( along with The Mother) founded an ideal community Aurosville-this is still running and has a fairly good library for anyone interested... 

Yes, I take the non given as given-what interests me about chaosmosis is the construction of a refrain from the  disorganisation of psychosis. Guattari is interesting from a recovery perspective as he is one of the first practioners to look at ways in which a meaningful life can be constructed in coalition with the clinical symptom. It is only just becoming fashionable to consider recovery as led by social goals than as clinical reduction. One could argue, and i do, that the construction of delusionary figures are ways of organising non-sense and are functional coping strategies in their own righ. For example, one delusion was that dead people were invading my body through my feet ( I live near a graveyard)Being a housefly made it possible to get out of bed and put my feet on the ground (essential to survival really!) The spaceship delusion would kick in when the housefly became unsustainable. None of this was pregiven BUT the form these delusions took
 are undoubtedly culturally sourced and have a personal past-e.g I grew up watching the moon landings and watched a lot of bad 50s sci fi!

None of this predeetermines the way these images will be cut out and redistributed in resubjectifying from non-sense but the resource to cut them out in a new refrain belongs to my singular past and no other-although of course the cultural sources are shared. So I take the currently heretical view in mental health that psychotic delusions may be therapuetic in their own right -I'm not into the romantic idealisation of pychosis- I should also point out that I know of someone so convinced he was the lamb of God that he starved to death. But too much emphasis still on the liquid kosh as first port of call for strange or unusual beliefs... 

I will check out the Stengars essay. I had forggeton about her but could be useful
Happy new year also

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