[D-G] michael hardt
hwenk
hwenk at web.de
Thu May 1 02:31:15 PDT 2008
Hello ruth and filip,
I would prefer, as I think, filip original intention was,
to stick to the download available Hardt book
for a common reading.
Here the little difficulty is,
the Hardts book is often third or second order,
that is commenting Deleuze's reading of Bergson, Spinoza, Nietzsche, Duns Sotus
sometimes a comment to a comment of Deleuze's reading to.
ANYWAY, SOME READING OF THE ORIGINAL
SOURCES IS NEEDED TO GRASP THE "SECONDARY LITERATURE" HARDT BOOK
Therefore the idea, to go back to something of first order,
that is for example the concept of difference of Deleuze itself,
is helpful.
My proposal, to have a little impression about original the Spinoza
or the academic discussions on Deleuze's Spinoza interpretation,
the neurology, which
is badly needed as background maybe also helpful.
The hint to Vedanta and India has been thought as a connection to
an old tradition with the same body-mind-problem solution
and the same "enlightening" ambition of philosophy or ethics.
The intention to make some concepts for another way of life, anti-oedipal,
- not only in the way of thinking -
is something D&G have brought again into philosophy,
this is excluded by most of other so deep
philosophical rooted approaches.
Most prominent Hegel.
RUTH; WOULD YOU PLEAS EXPLAIN MORE?
Now ruth, I would be very pleased if you could explain a little bit
more your statements about Deleuze's concept of difference
- if it "makes sense or not",
I am really interested what you think about it.
DIFFERENCE IN DIFFERENCE AND REPLETION (D&R) OF DELEUZE
In "Difference and repetition" there the paradigma for "difference" is the
real lightening with its foregoing corona
discharge, as "dark persecutor".
(D&R p. 50)
Deleuze remarks it as
difference of second order, "The difference in itself, which
relates itself through itself to the different". p 158 D&R.
Now, from the electrostatic point of view, there is a threshold
of the electrical field (3*10^6 N/C), for the electrical brakthrough. Then
Ionisation of air molecules in a "channel" starts.
Within this channel is build up what is dark prosecutor,
and gives the "corona discharge".
Within the channel is negative electrical field charge, low compared to the lightening.
So, the channel build up itself and afterwards the
lightening takes place.
It has something to do with trees or other peaks,
where the surface charge is high because
of the peak geometry of the object.
The "second" order difference: Differentiating itself
and the before non different,
like the lightening differentiates itself and itself from the dark
So, a "difference" is made to something not able to differentiate itself.
Without surpassing the charge threshold, everything stays as usual,
the sly stays homogenous dark.
Now, the brain is very electrochemical, within lot of ionisation to.
Here the ionisation takes place by the neurology of the brain cells.
Fro, the "idea" and notion side, there is a lot
concerning general or common notions.
But, the physical side maybe pondered about first.
greetings Harald Wenk
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Subject: Re: [D-G] michael hardt
hello ruth,
thanks a lot for the information.
it makes sense;
still i'm looking for a definition that explains what difference is, to
somebody who doesn't know deleuze.
that is a tricky one :-).
i have found a website (http://www.dif-ferance.org/4771/58601.html)
hosted by professor protevi,
it is a difference website. so that could be usefull.
thanx so much
greetings
Super Dragon schreef:
> Hi Filip, I find it useful to think of difference in terms of individuated difference and individuating difference. the domain of concepts on realy belongs to the former as individuating difference is without concept.
> other ways of thinking of individuating difference is as an ordinal multiplicity that exceeds the terms of reference of cardinal multiplicities or individuated differences and organized composites, opening on to the much disputed 'body without organs' of deleuze and guattari's collaborations. Deleuze points to encounter with difference in terms of a clamour, in which individuated differences can not be discerned so it is also deindviduating difference in so far as it desubjectivises the indivuated differences of the organized composite-there are useful parallels with this and hindu mysticism(s) which aim for lived encounter with non-dual reality (advaita). in other words, it is a mistake to try and pin difference down under a rigourous definition. it is more useful to try and define the work that difference without concept does in Deleuze and Deleuze and Guattari's texts.
>
> hope that makes sense
> Ruth
> would love to join your reading group but don't have time right now. maybe i could dip in now and then with a queery?
> Sloughing one's skin.-The snake that cannot slough its skin perishes. Likewise spirits which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be spirits (Nietzsche: Daybreak:V:573)
>
>
> --- fildh at gmx.net wrote:
>
> From: filip <fildh at gmx.net>
> To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> Subject: Re: [D-G] michael hardt
> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:07:25 +0200
>
> Great,
>
> well i'm on it, i'm reading it, and i have found some other stuff that
> could be usefull.
> here is an article, that discuss the first part of chapter one: it is
> about the early writings
> of deleuze: La conception de la différence chez Bergson (translated by
> Melissa McMAhon
> bergson's conception of difference")
>
> the temporalization of difference: reflections on deleuze's
> interpretation of bergson
> giovanna borrador (continental philophy review 34: 1-20:2001)
>
> but i would like to ask a question. Maybe it is a bit obvious, but still
> i wanna know.
>
> can anyone give me a good definition of difference. I know what it is,
> and most of the time
> people start explaining it by pointing out where deleuze or bergson use
> it. but i have never
> found a very good definition of it; i have looked it up in the
> dictionary of deleuze for example
> and not that instructive. or if someone can give me a url. that would be
> nice. i'm really in need
> of a rigorous definition.
>
> thanx a lot
> greetings
>
>
>
>
> Christopher Moreno schreef:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am interested in reading along with you all as well. Hardt book is good
>> for understanding need to also read Spinoza, Nietzsche and Bergson.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Christian Diel <jecopo at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I would join in for the Kant book, already read it so if anyone needs
>>> help with it.... I offer my services.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> CD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 26.04.2008 um 12:24 schrieb Nadeem Hameed:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> thans for the file, anyone interested to read togather
>>>> this text and deluze's kant....
>>>> --- ".+oot8am wakeup" <dr.crawboney at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hi folks,
>>>>> I have not read the book either but it looks like a
>>>>> good one.
>>>>> http://www.mediafire.com/?70v3po3wbg0 (thnks shards)
>>>>> Amazon has some brief customer reviews, perhaps it
>>>>> would be nice to read
>>>>> along.
>>>>> clap clap,
>>>>> dc
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