[Deleuze-Guattari] waffling, again...
C.W.Kusters at let.ru.nl
Sat Sep 8 00:38:21 PDT 2007
> I'm reviewing a book at the moment, a nice little volume by Ronald Bogue
> "Deleuze's Way, Essays in Transverse Ethics and Aesthetics.
> The last essay in the book opens as such:
> "There are two basic types of commentators on Deleuze and Guattari: those
> who seek to extend the experimental conceptual movement of D&G's thought.
> adopting the author's language and intensifying its tendencies; and those
> who try to frame D&G's thoughtin less esoteric terms, utilizing a more
> orthodox, academic terminology and testing the practical limits,
> implications and consequences of their thought ...."
> although it is fun to write prose that tries to make language stammer with
> the constant barrage things just get lost n the haze ...... so i think
> sometimes that given this list is dominated by people of the first type it
> is hard for those of the second type to feel like they can get a
> word in or
> even a response ......
Well, Martin, I think that you should not exaggerate, let alone
overestimate, the difference between these two kinds of people. I would like
to associate to those of the second type, and even as I am, I sense that the
dominance of the first class cannot be that hard or hostile not to be open
to questions, words or responses of others. In fact, it never was.
> > - this is, as far as I can tell, an English language mailing list;
> > now this isn't to say that other languages are not useful here, but my
> > feeeling is that the overall understanding should be provided in
> > English; so, if other languages are to be used, including the ever
> > more frequent strains of gibberish, they should be accompanied by
> > some kind of translation
Yes, I think you're right. People should try to express themselves in the
language of the list, a common language, and since this is English, we
should stick to English. However, I would not like to prevent other persons
to express themselves the way they want to. And, if that is in a language I
do not know, I ask them for a translation.
> > - there is a sense, put forward by several list members, that they are
> > D&G experts; now, I have no idea what this might mean, but it comes
> > across as "D&G would sugggest...", or "D&G intended...", or "what D&G
> > mean by this is..."; for my part, I have been studying the writings of
> > Deleuze and Guattari for many years now, and in no way do I consider
> > myself capable of speaking as a "Deleuzoguatarrian" (or whatever), or
> > even elevating their writings to a level where a statement like
> > "according to D&G..." has any inherent weight at all; what I am
> > saying here is: is this not a venue for discovery and elaboration,
> > rather than banter and point-proving?
Too many references to D&G can kill the open debate on what they exactly
meant, indeed. And, indeed, to give the work by D&G more inherent weight
people should preferably come with full quotes, when quoting from one of
Deleuze's books or work done by Deleuze and Guattari.
In that sense, I think Harald Wenk loses some tracks when delving into
Vedanta or other stuff, and not mentioning how it connects to - not only the
ideas within - but the actual lines of thought, even when speaking about
nomadism or sabotages from list members or programms in Budapest.
> > - finally, I know that there are (or, at least, were) some great minds
> > lurking in the shadows of this list, and while I am sure they are busy
> > (and quite frankly, bored by the list), it would be ever so helpful if
> > and when a question or statement (or...) arises that they have the
> > courage to step forward and put in two or three cents worth; hey,
> > maybe some of you might even want to try to stimulate some of the
> > other lurkers into some new discussions, just like the good ol' days
> > (I mean, the field can't be saturated yet can it? or is there now a
> > fear of exposing research in a world that tends to promote only highly
> > competitive academic relations?)
> > Anyway, sorry for jumping in again, but I would dearly love to see and
> > read a post on this list that would have me anticipating my next
> > logon...
No problem, you're welcome.
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