[D-G] Deleuze, electronic music and Deleuzian theory of body

hwenk hwenk at web.de
Mon Mar 19 04:12:19 PDT 2007


my insistence of yoga instead of drugs is very simple.

It is a tested and very healthy sytem of practices
free to ones own chice eb?ven in the details which enhance intesities and
body and mind and is also bound to treat very
hard and complicated cases and mental crisis.
Including the mental irregulities which in   western culture are mostly
treated by psychatries with very hard
and suspicious medical drugs.
So it is a solid background and backbone of mental and physical health and
processes of

It is also not `Logcentristic`and `Eurocentristic`.

It is also very emprical by direct perception of effects.

It is also ver ecolgical - the last writings of Guattari are concerned with
an ?ecosophie`.

It is open to personal freedom as much as possible -
except that taking away the cause (the practice of exercise) is taking away
the effect (the benefit).

You even dance better with yoga than with drugs.

It is indeed almost impossible to share the experience of the  benefits of
yoga without practicng it.

It is also not possible to share the intellectual progress induced by a book
without reading it.

The benefits of yoga include developemnt of social compatible virtues
(Niyamas - honesty, peacefulness,
cultivation of sexual desires, greedlessness).
The greates benefit is indeed mental stabiltity and enhancing feelings and

So, the more I think about it and look at the experiences including my own,
I am more than puzzled that Dleuzer and Guattari did not propagat more
instead th euse o fdrugs,
And if they missse to do so, why do the following intellectuals not do so,
in spite of often
phisiphizing on `the body` the body mind problem`on neurobiology and so on.
Also regarding the eminent role of drugs of any kind in everday life.
Even the `dispositv of  prison` and the crimnals is much feeded
by selling and consumption of drugs.
Did Marx not spreak of  religion as "opium for the folks".
What about the original opium?

Spinoza, also reported to have had the behaviour of a saint, was
almost killed by a riot and banished by an awful decret from the jewish
community in Amsterdam.
He was so much hated that Oldenbourg, the secretary of the Royal Society in
tried to protect him in spite  he did not share his views.
A nowadays `materialistic`analysis would notice that he
bothered too many people, especially the theologicans, in their material
The behavior and the arguments of these theologicans were often much less
social compatible.
The argument ?ad hominem?- that is personal attack, was widely usaed against
Of course with less care regarding the niyama honetsy or truthfulness.
`Give the dog a bad name and then hang hum up`.

Personal attacks  are also used nowadays sometimes,
wher a `niyama`social compatible style is often resonpoded by far less
virtue like attacks -
including  instistance of  an already given  `social compatibility`.

Spinoza inaugurated a text critical bible reading and
a non personal god metaphysics - taking away two cornerstones of
theological, especially the institional offical church doctrines,
intellectual power.

As Deueleuze and Gauuatri started from the body, the simple question is
how to make the best out of it including the question how to
overcome mental illness like schizophrenia.
In course of the scientific and technical optimism
Deleuze and Guattari set  a lot of hope into drugs.
There had been a lot of expereiements with psychedilic drugs like LDS (which
is visual halluciantora
contrary to schizophrenic hallucanotry experiences, which are in general
more auditory - remarked Merleau Ponty in the
 `Phenomonolgy of Perception` ).

The inspiration of Deleuze and Guattari was tat in a way the growth of the
brain by
biological growth process and mental learning has in psychosis a high
level, which make it sinilar to  very intensive phasis of subjectivation
like crisis for normal people.
The tragedy for the schizophrenics is that this process is stoppped
and Deleuzes and Guattaries inspiration was to say one has `to go further"`,
to carry on that ``schizophrenic process"
of more and more intensites and growing of the brain.

This growing of the brain and highr intensities are also there at normal
people, at a minor extent.
Therer are often crisis amd moods of depression or changes of mood.
Times when one is very vulnerable for example.

Deleuze and Guattari hoped that the medical drugs, neuroleptica, would
hinder the schizophrenic  to get catatonic or to come to some
breakdown (the cite Laing that: ``The breakthrough does not come down to  a

Now everyone knows, the most schizophrenics try to avoid the medical drugs,
because the drugs do
notthing else than ``stopping the schizophrenic process".
On the other hand, the danger of catatony is not so great
regarding the mass of people treated with these drugs.

So people are hold back in their development because of risks, which are not
there to a wide extent.
If they woul do intensive yoga this would be far better.

A third thing is that the chemisitry of the brain is so complicated,
that the neuroleptica used at the time oun the 60ies and 70ies
and even nowadays are very primitive compared with that.

It is like to repair a microprocessor with a sledge hammer.

Indeed there is no drug free treatmeant of schiziphrenia in offical
psychatrie.  That is more tha to regret after the movement of

You may know that also  depression is more and more tried to heal with
medical drugs.
So drugs are some kind of ``easy way" which of course for the brain does not

Another starting point of Deleuze and Guattari was the weakness of
psychanalytical methods in healing mental illness.
This is still the case. Here yoga and body driven techniques are a way out.

The use of drugs is very very popular and  common.
In over 90 per cent the doctor does nothing other than to give you advice
and  a recipt for a drug and the drug is taken.

As I mentioned in an earlier email, in the use of neuroleptica especially
the dopmin reaction in the forehead is
dimished which leads to a loss of orientation regding ``stratetic"
This makes the schizophrenics more easy to trick - which indeed  is actaully
It is so bad that they are even more complicated tricked as their being
trickable is smelled out.
This comes also because, as Reich had remarked the richness and creativity -
which made Guattari loving the schizophrenics - are closer to
the desires of the uncouncioussnes is often experienced as a danger by other
people which they try to avoid.

So schizophrenics are more attacked and get less defense because of the
medical drugs - including the loss
of social status and intellectual abiliteis.
The medical drugs make the  more coarse, more down to animal instincs - like
hunger, thirst and raw sexual desire.
Also the metabolism is changed, so th awater is incorporated making them
This is accompanied  with a  diminshing of the connections to the  fine
neocortecx structures.

In other cultures, not only in yoga, ther are also techniques in
sufi orders and schamanistic techniques, which treat   ``schizophrenic
and indeed carry it further on without ending in catanoy.

It is also ecological to do it without chemistry.

In spite there is a big discussion on ``Logocentrism" and ``Eourocentrism"
the simple intelligent choice of suited also non linguistic, namely physical
body techniques from other  cultures
is not made or emphasized also they are tested in very long and wide terms.

Best greetings Harald Wenk

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Subject: Re: [D-G] Deleuze, electronic music and Deleuzian theory of


I would recommend tracking down the informal talks between Deleuze and
Pinhas from 1977. These talks are great, since Pinhas' electronic
music project Heldon inspired such direct implication for the

However, about these particular papers... they seem to be gone from
Pinhas' webdelzeuze.com, they are fine translations, I hope they are
not gone for good. [If they are found could you please post a link for
me in this email-list, thank you.]

So, here is another link to the 2nd part of it... but its really the
first part that sets up the disscussion around a standard
dialectical-materialist frame and what follows in part 2 is of more
the same, its great.... the "pulse" which territorializes the aion
flow of the dancer's experience is explained in part.
These 3 main modes of territorialism, incl. collage, can be found in
modern electronic music and linked to blacksmith's who forged
instruments for Handel's brass compositions.

Deleuze & Pinhas discussion on music:


- (look on google for a better copy maybe?)

-> Somebody wrote a paper about it here:


Also, I think hwenk is about ready for a major tantric experience
regarding uncontrollable bodily functions for dancing. Even some of
the most individualist thinkers like to get up off their seats and
dance to the funky beats. We are never alone and we are never silent
(I am speaking for all yogi masters here) and it is a real question
about the particular yogic life of the rhizome, it is very imaginable
isn't it? I think even Spinoza encouraged the individualist thinker to
seek identity with the social body, this is the simplicity of
hegemony. hwenk's business with the yoga self is such a very external
experience where we all participate here; its pushing and pulling
muscles, a way to create a social body, mostly because of this tantra

der crawboney
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