[Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)

hwenk hwenk at web.de
Fri Aug 10 05:40:10 PDT 2007 

Hello Mrs. unknown Bale,

I know that already and I am doing so mostly.
But as writing about difficult texts and problems
consumes much efforts already and these
emails are not thought to be published in this form,
and this is an informal discussion group,
also the  mails are often written late .........

As far as I remember I answered your Email concerning the Deleuzian "Image
of thought".
In an normalized way this is connected to the expectation
to some response to that or putting things further.

I am interested in the knowledge or other background -
in order to  minimize misunderstanding and uncomfortable feelings.
Are you a teacher and so in some way interested in grammar?


greetings Harald Wenk

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[mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Julia
Bale
Sent: Freitag, 10. August 2007 09:22
To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)


Hi Dr Wenk,

If you are using Outlook, I think if you press f7 you can spell check
emails.

Julia

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[mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of hwenk
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2007 16:55
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Hello mr. hardie,

"to get out of the cage of mice".
In general, people use their freedom
without thinking or often thinking a lot
about alternative which are to narrow.
tHERFEORE; WE TRY TO GET HAPPY
BY THINKNG OVERPROBLEMS
WHICH ARE NOT REALLY OUR PROBLEMS;
IN A FORM WHERE 2OUR2 SOLUTION
IS ALREADY RULED OUT BY
way the probllem is posed.
And e do not get to seee
wha tproblem it would be
to thik about in what way to
get more satiesfied.
And the we say
thar "I can't get no satisfaction"
is a real, poetic song
refelecting some subjective truth.

So, if you discuss in politics some hairdo of a poltician ... that is
a crude example.
But how structures of "power"
are in yourself maybe a far
more interesting question -
treated in the anti-oedipe.

In nmy eyes, rifdind the tiur de france is a
torture even with doping,
torture for our "pleasure"?
Pleasure iis one of the main themes of the anti-oedipe.

greetings Harald Wenk
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[mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of martin
hardie
Sent: Donnerstag, 9. August 2007 16:20
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Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)


but why do we acre
why do we need it
what does it matter
can't we answer questions from non phd's students????????????



On 09/08/07, Dr. Harald Wenk <hwenk at web.de> wrote:
>
> Hello Mr. Rohan,
>
> Thank you for this information.
> Would also have been fine to get it from Tina herself.
>
>
> greetings Harld Wenk
>
> Am Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:46:05 +0200 schrieb Rohan Orton
> <rohan.orton at gmail.com>:
>
> > Mr Wenk,
> >
> >> What I meant is an inconsistency:
> >> My dictonaries say a dissertation is a Ph.D. thesis, something
> >> a B.A. student is not skilled for,  not seen to be skilled for.
> >
> > It is quite common in British Universities for an extended essay to be
> > written as part of assessment for a BA and this is also usually referred
> > to
> > as a dissertation. There is no need to suggest deception.
> >
> > R
> >
> > On 8/9/07, hwenk <hwenk at web.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Mr. Bale,
> >>
> >> in his foreword to the
> >> american edition of "difference and repetitio",
> >> Deleuze declared the cahpter three: "image of thought"
> >> as the most "necessary and most concrte"
> >> introduction to his other books, aos that
> >> of the one with Felix Guattari.
> >>
> >> In a nutshell:
> >> Pain at first, hat and love force to think, solving problems.
> >> Ther is a part, a fram,e, a transcendal part, formed to
> >> very intensive anfd hard exeperience which gives thes
> >> categoreis
> >> of the abilities of percepting, recognition and acting.
> >> That is "transcendal empirism".
> >> Under this viewpoint, reecogintion, ceativity, making more fine and
> >> intrensiv
> >> and changing the frame - cases: destroy the frame (partly) and change
> >> the relations of the abilties, every ability is egositic in some way.
> >>
> >> The classical "making order out of chaos",
> >> bring the brain chemistry an the formed
> >> brain, by memory and categories,
> >> "harmonic" together, so
> >> that happiness, joy and more inner and
> >> ability of acting, understanding and percepting
> >> are develppoed.
> >> This is the Appolinian way.
> >> But the reding  of the chapter is not to dispense with.
> >>
> >> In some people or groups, this "subjectivations"
> >> go "wrong", leading to hard frictions or splits,
> >> cases mentioned by Guattari in the first chapter of
> >> chasomosis are the reconserative islamic movements
> >> and the repression of students in China.
> >>
> >> The most striking is that he sees correctly, that much more
> >> subjectivation is there, the experience
> >> that things can be changed by subjective grops is
> >> very common.
> >> The belief and experience of "eternal" or "everlasting"
> >> social laws or circumstances fades away.
> >>
> >> greetings Harald Wenk
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> >> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Julia
> >> Bale
> >> Sent: Mittwoch, 8. August 2007 15:37
> >> To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
> >>
> >>
> >> When D&G talk about 'image of thought', that is, thought that is
> >> movement
> >> towards truth, in an effort to avoid violence, (in other words perhaps,
> >> "defensively poised",) what is it that the threat of violence comes
> >> from?
> >> Is
> >> it about disorder, or mystery - the unknown? (Guattari refers to the
> >> disappearance of mystery in the first chapter in chaosmosis.) Do you
> >> think
> >> this is comparable to Appollonian/Dionysion opposition?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> >> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of
> martin
> >> hardie
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 23:24
> >> To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
> >>
> >>
> >> is this the tour de france mr wenk?
> >>
> >> why does it not fit together...because why?
> >>
> >> maybe miss tina should be thrown off the race and sent home to denmark
> >> .....
> >> but i don't think mr wenk understands ....
> >>
> >> On 08/08/2007, hwenk <hwenk at web.de> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hello Tina,
> >> >
> >> > that is a quote from your first Email,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Thanks in anticipation, Tina (Cultural Studies BA student)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This is a quote from your second Email
> >> >
> >> > > This is for my dissertation.
> >> >
> >> > (See both below)
> >> >
> >> > As anyoone sees, this does not fit together.
> >> >
> >> > As I am more interested in truth than in
> >> > condeming, I would be pleased if you
> >> > would tell what is going on?
> >> > This is also because a lot of literature afterwards.
> >> >
> >> > So, would you bew so kind to explain?
> >> > It is difficult to see things not as
> >> > gaining personal informations of me.
> >> > As long as the intentions are hidden,
> >> > this could hardly be sen as friendly.
> >> >
> >> > Curois greetings
> >> >
> >> > Harald Wenk
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> >> > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of
> >> > fin5tr at leeds.ac.uk
> >> > Sent: Samstag, 4. August 2007 08:44
> >> > To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hello Gerald,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks very much for your comprehensive reply.
> >> >
> >> > This is for my dissertation. My primary theorist is Deleuze and I'm
> >> > applying
> >> > him
> >> > to a piece of text by R. D. Laing (Knots).
> >> >
> >> > I was thinking of using the wound (as in "my wound existed before")
> >> as a
> >> > kind of
> >> > primal wound of sorts. Rather like how Althusser says that our
> >> > subjectivity
> >> > exists before we are even born (in the Freudian sense). So we are
> born
> >> > into
> >> > our
> >> > oedipal trajectory.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, perhaps I can still do that.
> >> >
> >> > Your email was very helpful, thank you, and gave me some avenues to
> >> > pursue.
> >> >
> >> > Are you an academic? What is your interest in Deleuze?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks again...
> >> >
> >> > Much appreciated, Tina
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Quoting hwenk <hwenk at web.de> on Fri 03 Aug 2007 21:19:35 BST:
> >> >
> >> > > Hello Tina,
> >> > >
> >> > > there is a new French edition from 1996,
> >> > > but I didn't found any translation (here in Germany) - like you,
> >> > probably.
> >> > > The text is the last of Deleuze being published,
> >> > > and it is indeed very abstract.
> >> > >
> >> > > I don't know what you are doing,
> >> > > but "the wound" is a reference in a the last footnote where
> >> > > the connection between virtuality and
> >> > > happenings(?) has been elaborated and concretised.
> >> > >
> >> > > In a first order approximation
> >> > > one could see virtualities as
> >> > > dream/perception/thinking(all together, mixed, and differentiating
> >> while
> >> > > "living") - with emotion from the
> >> > > conscious side. But what is happening on the object side?
> >> > > A wound is subjective and objective (from medicine).
> >> > > The wound has also some objective subjective reality,
> >> > > to speak so, as for some  to have a wound is
> >> > > in certain limits the same, or recognizable - also understandable,
> >> > > also to have a wound is do much subjective that you are
> >> > > brought back sometimes to the
> >> > > pure life, which is mentioned as example,
> >> > > even if a bad guy is going to die,
> >> > > one tries to help.
> >> > >
> >> > > But, as I pointed out,
> >> > > I don't what you want.
> >> > > Even dreaming of a wound has its objective "effects"
> >> > > or thinking of a wound - even if you never get one.
> >> > > I am not trying to speak ex cathedra as
> >> > > canonical interpretation. Its my own in responding you after
> reading
> >> the
> >> > > text.
> >> > >
> >> > > But texts so abstract as this one from Deleuze are best
> >> > > understood to connect it
> >> > > to from experience or
> >> > > possible experience - what is also the theme of
> >> > > the text itself.
> >> > >
> >> > > So, maybe the question: Working on Deleuze without speaking French?
> >> > > Without any loss?
> >> > > This is for sure  possible on a B.A. level.
> >> > > So, to summarize - I am not aware of a translation of
> >> > > Bousquet and I  think to read
> >> > > another book of him is not so
> >> > > helpful in understand the text of Deleuze.
> >> > > Maybe you look in Difference and repetition
> >> > > or also in Duns Scot himself - keeping the wound in mind.
> >> > > But the text of Sartre is also very important for Deleuze,
> >> > > he quotes it in central passages in "what is philosophy".
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > But, I don't what you know or try to do.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Greetings Harald Wenk
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> >> > > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of
> >> > > fin5tr at leeds.ac.uk
> >> > > Sent: Freitag, 3. August 2007 17:45
> >> > > To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> >> > > Subject: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > In 'Immanence: A Life' Deleuze refers to Bousquet's wound and cites
> >> his
> >> > work
> >> > > 'Les Capitales'. Can anyone tell me if this is available in
> English,
> >> > please?
> >> > > If
> >> > > not, does anyone know which translated works of Bousquet refer
> >> directly,
> >> > and
> >> > > in
> >> > > detail, to the wound.
> >> > >
> >> > > Also, does anyone know where Deleuze expands on this idea of the
> >> wound,
> >> > if
> >> > > he
> >> > > does at all. Or if anyone else (say, poststructuralist) does.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks in anticipation, Tina (Cultural Studies BA student)
> >> > >
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