[Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)

Fri Aug 10 00:22:21 PDT 2007

Hi Dr Wenk,

If you are using Outlook, I think if you press f7 you can spell check
emails.

Julia

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[mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of hwenk
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2007 16:55
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Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)

Hello mr. hardie,

"to get out of the cage of mice".
In general, people use their freedom
without thinking or often thinking a lot
about alternative which are to narrow.
tHERFEORE; WE TRY TO GET HAPPY
BY THINKNG OVERPROBLEMS
WHICH ARE NOT REALLY OUR PROBLEMS;
IN A FORM WHERE 2OUR2 SOLUTION
IS ALREADY RULED OUT BY
way the probllem is posed.
And e do not get to seee
wha tproblem it would be
to thik about in what way to
get more satiesfied.
And the we say
thar "I can't get no satisfaction"
is a real, poetic song
refelecting some subjective truth.

So, if you discuss in politics some hairdo of a poltician ... that is
a crude example.
But how structures of "power"
are in yourself maybe a far
more interesting question -
treated in the anti-oedipe.

In nmy eyes, rifdind the tiur de france is a
torture even with doping,
torture for our "pleasure"?
Pleasure iis one of the main themes of the anti-oedipe.

greetings Harald Wenk
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[mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of martin
hardie
Sent: Donnerstag, 9. August 2007 16:20
To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)

but why do we acre
why do we need it
what does it matter
can't we answer questions from non phd's students????????????

On 09/08/07, Dr. Harald Wenk <hwenk at web.de> wrote:
>
> Hello Mr. Rohan,
>
> Thank you for this information.
> Would also have been fine to get it from Tina herself.
>
>
> greetings Harld Wenk
>
> Am Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:46:05 +0200 schrieb Rohan Orton
> <rohan.orton at gmail.com>:
>
> > Mr Wenk,
> >
> >> What I meant is an inconsistency:
> >> My dictonaries say a dissertation is a Ph.D. thesis, something
> >> a B.A. student is not skilled for,  not seen to be skilled for.
> >
> > It is quite common in British Universities for an extended essay to be
> > written as part of assessment for a BA and this is also usually referred
> > to
> > as a dissertation. There is no need to suggest deception.
> >
> > R
> >
> > On 8/9/07, hwenk <hwenk at web.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Mr. Bale,
> >>
> >> in his foreword to the
> >> american edition of "difference and repetitio",
> >> Deleuze declared the cahpter three: "image of thought"
> >> as the most "necessary and most concrte"
> >> introduction to his other books, aos that
> >> of the one with Felix Guattari.
> >>
> >> In a nutshell:
> >> Pain at first, hat and love force to think, solving problems.
> >> Ther is a part, a fram,e, a transcendal part, formed to
> >> very intensive anfd hard exeperience which gives thes
> >> categoreis
> >> of the abilities of percepting, recognition and acting.
> >> That is "transcendal empirism".
> >> Under this viewpoint, reecogintion, ceativity, making more fine and
> >> intrensiv
> >> and changing the frame - cases: destroy the frame (partly) and change
> >> the relations of the abilties, every ability is egositic in some way.
> >>
> >> The classical "making order out of chaos",
> >> bring the brain chemistry an the formed
> >> brain, by memory and categories,
> >> "harmonic" together, so
> >> that happiness, joy and more inner and
> >> ability of acting, understanding and percepting
> >> are develppoed.
> >> This is the Appolinian way.
> >> But the reding  of the chapter is not to dispense with.
> >>
> >> In some people or groups, this "subjectivations"
> >> go "wrong", leading to hard frictions or splits,
> >> cases mentioned by Guattari in the first chapter of
> >> chasomosis are the reconserative islamic movements
> >> and the repression of students in China.
> >>
> >> The most striking is that he sees correctly, that much more
> >> subjectivation is there, the experience
> >> that things can be changed by subjective grops is
> >> very common.
> >> The belief and experience of "eternal" or "everlasting"
> >> social laws or circumstances fades away.
> >>
> >> greetings Harald Wenk
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> >> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Julia
> >> Bale
> >> Sent: Mittwoch, 8. August 2007 15:37
> >> To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
> >>
> >>
> >> When D&G talk about 'image of thought', that is, thought that is
> >> movement
> >> towards truth, in an effort to avoid violence, (in other words perhaps,
> >> "defensively poised",) what is it that the threat of violence comes
> >> from?
> >> Is
> >> it about disorder, or mystery - the unknown? (Guattari refers to the
> >> disappearance of mystery in the first chapter in chaosmosis.) Do you
> >> think
> >> this is comparable to Appollonian/Dionysion opposition?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> >> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of
> martin
> >> hardie
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 23:24
> >> To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
> >>
> >>
> >> is this the tour de france mr wenk?
> >>
> >> why does it not fit together...because why?
> >>
> >> maybe miss tina should be thrown off the race and sent home to denmark
> >> .....
> >> but i don't think mr wenk understands ....
> >>
> >> On 08/08/2007, hwenk <hwenk at web.de> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hello Tina,
> >> >
> >> > that is a quote from your first Email,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Thanks in anticipation, Tina (Cultural Studies BA student)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This is a quote from your second Email
> >> >
> >> > > This is for my dissertation.
> >> >
> >> > (See both below)
> >> >
> >> > As anyoone sees, this does not fit together.
> >> >
> >> > As I am more interested in truth than in
> >> > condeming, I would be pleased if you
> >> > would tell what is going on?
> >> > This is also because a lot of literature afterwards.
> >> >
> >> > So, would you bew so kind to explain?
> >> > It is difficult to see things not as
> >> > gaining personal informations of me.
> >> > As long as the intentions are hidden,
> >> > this could hardly be sen as friendly.
> >> >
> >> > Curois greetings
> >> >
> >> > Harald Wenk
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> >> > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of
> >> > fin5tr at leeds.ac.uk
> >> > Sent: Samstag, 4. August 2007 08:44
> >> > To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hello Gerald,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks very much for your comprehensive reply.
> >> >
> >> > This is for my dissertation. My primary theorist is Deleuze and I'm
> >> > applying
> >> > him
> >> > to a piece of text by R. D. Laing (Knots).
> >> >
> >> > I was thinking of using the wound (as in "my wound existed before")
> >> as a
> >> > kind of
> >> > primal wound of sorts. Rather like how Althusser says that our
> >> > subjectivity
> >> > exists before we are even born (in the Freudian sense). So we are
> born
> >> > into
> >> > our
> >> > oedipal trajectory.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, perhaps I can still do that.
> >> >
> >> > Your email was very helpful, thank you, and gave me some avenues to
> >> > pursue.
> >> >
> >> > Are you an academic? What is your interest in Deleuze?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks again...
> >> >
> >> > Much appreciated, Tina
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Quoting hwenk <hwenk at web.de> on Fri 03 Aug 2007 21:19:35 BST:
> >> >
> >> > > Hello Tina,
> >> > >
> >> > > there is a new French edition from 1996,
> >> > > but I didn't found any translation (here in Germany) - like you,
> >> > probably.
> >> > > The text is the last of Deleuze being published,
> >> > > and it is indeed very abstract.
> >> > >
> >> > > I don't know what you are doing,
> >> > > but "the wound" is a reference in a the last footnote where
> >> > > the connection between virtuality and
> >> > > happenings(?) has been elaborated and concretised.
> >> > >
> >> > > In a first order approximation
> >> > > one could see virtualities as
> >> > > dream/perception/thinking(all together, mixed, and differentiating
> >> while
> >> > > "living") - with emotion from the
> >> > > conscious side. But what is happening on the object side?
> >> > > A wound is subjective and objective (from medicine).
> >> > > The wound has also some objective subjective reality,
> >> > > to speak so, as for some  to have a wound is
> >> > > in certain limits the same, or recognizable - also understandable,
> >> > > also to have a wound is do much subjective that you are
> >> > > brought back sometimes to the
> >> > > pure life, which is mentioned as example,
> >> > > even if a bad guy is going to die,
> >> > > one tries to help.
> >> > >
> >> > > But, as I pointed out,
> >> > > I don't what you want.
> >> > > Even dreaming of a wound has its objective "effects"
> >> > > or thinking of a wound - even if you never get one.
> >> > > I am not trying to speak ex cathedra as
> >> > > canonical interpretation. Its my own in responding you after
> reading
> >> the
> >> > > text.
> >> > >
> >> > > But texts so abstract as this one from Deleuze are best
> >> > > understood to connect it
> >> > > to from experience or
> >> > > possible experience - what is also the theme of
> >> > > the text itself.
> >> > >
> >> > > So, maybe the question: Working on Deleuze without speaking French?
> >> > > Without any loss?
> >> > > This is for sure  possible on a B.A. level.
> >> > > So, to summarize - I am not aware of a translation of
> >> > > Bousquet and I  think to read
> >> > > another book of him is not so
> >> > > helpful in understand the text of Deleuze.
> >> > > Maybe you look in Difference and repetition
> >> > > or also in Duns Scot himself - keeping the wound in mind.
> >> > > But the text of Sartre is also very important for Deleuze,
> >> > > he quotes it in central passages in "what is philosophy".
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > But, I don't what you know or try to do.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Greetings Harald Wenk
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> >> > > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of
> >> > > fin5tr at leeds.ac.uk
> >> > > Sent: Freitag, 3. August 2007 17:45
> >> > > To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> >> > > Subject: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > In 'Immanence: A Life' Deleuze refers to Bousquet's wound and cites
> >> his
> >> > work
> >> > > 'Les Capitales'. Can anyone tell me if this is available in
> English,
> >> > please?
> >> > > If
> >> > > not, does anyone know which translated works of Bousquet refer
> >> directly,
> >> > and
> >> > > in
> >> > > detail, to the wound.
> >> > >
> >> > > Also, does anyone know where Deleuze expands on this idea of the
> >> wound,
> >> > if
> >> > > he
> >> > > does at all. Or if anyone else (say, poststructuralist) does.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks in anticipation, Tina (Cultural Studies BA student)
> >> > >
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