[Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)

hwenk hwenk at web.de
Thu Aug 9 02:06:47 PDT 2007


Hello Mr.  Hardie,

I would also be pleased, to know a little bit background.
In this list it happens  a lot of times that peole write an email,
open some issue and then nothing happens more.

I found the discussion on the wound and "the form" really interesting,
going deep down to the basic notions.
The method  I  tried is to bind it back to knwon experience
or knowledge, which in my eyes is not finshed yet.

What I meant is an inconsistency:
My dictonaries say a dissertation is a Ph.D. thesis, something
a B.A. student is not skilled for,  not seen to be skilled for.

As there is no need to bring false information in this list,
it is desorientating if such things are done.

On the other hand I have declared very often
already, that the texts of Deleuze and Guattari are
so complex because our own
reality is so complex.
We and our thinking are also complex, but not uncomprehensible, starting
from Neurology.


In Mathematics this is done by the word:
"There is no kings way to mathematics",
as a king wanted to have explained
geomtry in five minutes (by Euclid?),
having enough else to do.

This phanomenon is not restricted to kings or
emporers.

And, as we try "to get out of the cage of mice", concerning thinking,
feeling and acting,
making understandable the complex thinking is the best way.

greetings H.W.


-----Original Message-----
From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
[mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of martin
hardie
Sent: Mittwoch, 8. August 2007 15:24
To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)


is this the tour de france mr wenk?

why does it not fit together...because why?

maybe miss tina should be thrown off the race and sent home to denmark .....
but i don't think mr wenk understands ....

On 08/08/2007, hwenk <hwenk at web.de> wrote:
>
> Hello Tina,
>
> that is a quote from your first Email,
>
>
>
> > Thanks in anticipation, Tina (Cultural Studies BA student)
>
>
> This is a quote from your second Email
>
> > This is for my dissertation.
>
> (See both below)
>
> As anyoone sees, this does not fit together.
>
> As I am more interested in truth than in
> condeming, I would be pleased if you
> would tell what is going on?
> This is also because a lot of literature afterwards.
>
> So, would you bew so kind to explain?
> It is difficult to see things not as
> gaining personal informations of me.
> As long as the intentions are hidden,
> this could hardly be sen as friendly.
>
> Curois greetings
>
> Harald Wenk
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of
> fin5tr at leeds.ac.uk
> Sent: Samstag, 4. August 2007 08:44
> To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> Subject: Re: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
>
>
> Hello Gerald,
>
> Thanks very much for your comprehensive reply.
>
> This is for my dissertation. My primary theorist is Deleuze and I'm
> applying
> him
> to a piece of text by R. D. Laing (Knots).
>
> I was thinking of using the wound (as in "my wound existed before") as a
> kind of
> primal wound of sorts. Rather like how Althusser says that our
> subjectivity
> exists before we are even born (in the Freudian sense). So we are born
> into
> our
> oedipal trajectory.
>
> Anyway, perhaps I can still do that.
>
> Your email was very helpful, thank you, and gave me some avenues to
> pursue.
>
> Are you an academic? What is your interest in Deleuze?
>
> Thanks again...
>
> Much appreciated, Tina
>
>
> Quoting hwenk <hwenk at web.de> on Fri 03 Aug 2007 21:19:35 BST:
>
> > Hello Tina,
> >
> > there is a new French edition from 1996,
> > but I didn't found any translation (here in Germany) - like you,
> probably.
> > The text is the last of Deleuze being published,
> > and it is indeed very abstract.
> >
> > I don't know what you are doing,
> > but "the wound" is a reference in a the last footnote where
> > the connection between virtuality and
> > happenings(?) has been elaborated and concretised.
> >
> > In a first order approximation
> > one could see virtualities as
> > dream/perception/thinking(all together, mixed, and differentiating while
> > "living") - with emotion from the
> > conscious side. But what is happening on the object side?
> > A wound is subjective and objective (from medicine).
> > The wound has also some objective subjective reality,
> > to speak so, as for some  to have a wound is
> > in certain limits the same, or recognizable - also understandable,
> > also to have a wound is do much subjective that you are
> > brought back sometimes to the
> > pure life, which is mentioned as example,
> > even if a bad guy is going to die,
> > one tries to help.
> >
> > But, as I pointed out,
> > I don't what you want.
> > Even dreaming of a wound has its objective "effects"
> > or thinking of a wound - even if you never get one.
> > I am not trying to speak ex cathedra as
> > canonical interpretation. Its my own in responding you after reading the
> > text.
> >
> > But texts so abstract as this one from Deleuze are best
> > understood to connect it
> > to from experience or
> > possible experience - what is also the theme of
> > the text itself.
> >
> > So, maybe the question: Working on Deleuze without speaking French?
> > Without any loss?
> > This is for sure  possible on a B.A. level.
> > So, to summarize - I am not aware of a translation of
> > Bousquet and I  think to read
> > another book of him is not so
> > helpful in understand the text of Deleuze.
> > Maybe you look in Difference and repetition
> > or also in Duns Scot himself - keeping the wound in mind.
> > But the text of Sartre is also very important for Deleuze,
> > he quotes it in central passages in "what is philosophy".
> >
> >
> > But, I don't what you know or try to do.
> >
> >
> > Greetings Harald Wenk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org
> > [mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of
> > fin5tr at leeds.ac.uk
> > Sent: Freitag, 3. August 2007 17:45
> > To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
> > Subject: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
> >
> >
> > In 'Immanence: A Life' Deleuze refers to Bousquet's wound and cites his
> work
> > 'Les Capitales'. Can anyone tell me if this is available in English,
> please?
> > If
> > not, does anyone know which translated works of Bousquet refer directly,
> and
> > in
> > detail, to the wound.
> >
> > Also, does anyone know where Deleuze expands on this idea of the wound,
> if
> > he
> > does at all. Or if anyone else (say, poststructuralist) does.
> >
> > Thanks in anticipation, Tina (Cultural Studies BA student)
> >
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