[Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)

[hwenk]

Hello Tina,

I am a Ph. D. mathematician, differential geometer (knowing manifolds very
well)  and also
a philosopher, at last I have been
a teacher of philosophy.

I am writing a little bit more, as more information give more solid ground
and
less speculations or omission of important things, which cause a lot
of ineffective and needless efforts - and fears.

I am very interested in Philosophy for a long time,
especially fascinated by Spinoza after Marx and Hegel.
The main reason is that, like in mathematics,
the things are rooted back to the ground,
the wish of understanding and love to freedom (Gueroult on Spinoza).
The freedom should be based on solid grounds, on power, on substance, on
reality,
on psychology and anthropology, sociology also economics, not only on good
hope.

As there is a lot hard to explain and to understand, to be honest
in mathematics things are complicated but function,
while in psychology and human thinking and acting things are even
more complicated and simple.
And there is the vast region of things coming from interacting of people
with different or limited interested and knowledge
of cooperation.
It is normal, than in politics at last something is taken
what nobody rally wants - but still has to function.
Things, professions, thinking is have their "proper" way, but they also
cooperate, act together - that's a machine in the widest sense.
That is something Deleuze and Guattari give good aids to integrate
with more content than pure abstract "system theory".


I was very unsatisfied with the theories
in psychology  and Deleuze and Guattari
merge: Mathematics and science in general, including
Marx and economics, psychology with an emphasis on Freud
and they also include neurology.
Guattari, as coming from Lacan has a good training in the merging of
personal and impersonal subjectivation - with great logics like language and
mathematics.
As they also have e fine art of reading literature
and the theory is also bound to explain my beloved yoga,
I am very satisfied with it.
Deleuze is a real well informed and deep thinking philosopher, including
even middle age scholastics (Duns Scot),
and Guattari is a sensible and experienced
psychiatrist, in my eyes "better" than Laing, who unfortunately is already
dead.
So, it is a good basis to understand the world, the notions made
by Guattari are formal enough to put in almost everything
without getting content less. You get some "over flight view" with such
notions.

Funny enough my own psychic or psychological experiences are in my eyes
not so complicated to explain with the aid of Deleuze and Guattari,
but the thinking and feelings of
other people are sometimes are little bit
more hard to grasp - but that is also very common.
If not, normally things are put erroneously to easy.


Laing is also very intersecting for his use of projections, which is also
done in Indian philosophy.
Freud wanted take projection very seriously, but there is no real elaborated
theory
of projecting of him. As so often other themes consumed all his efforts.

I did not read "Knots" yet, but in mathematics
is a theory of knots - middle complicated
for trained mathematicians.
I read "The self and the other" and "The voice of
experience"(retranslation).


I am also a programmer and a former machine repairing electrician -
knowing machines very well.

Hope this enough for now.


I am also writing something about Deleuze and Guattari, Kundalini Yoga
and Neurology.

greetings Harald Wenk







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Hello Gerald,

Thanks very much for your comprehensive reply.

This is for my dissertation. My primary theorist is Deleuze and I'm applying
him
to a piece of text by R. D. Laing (Knots).

I was thinking of using the wound (as in "my wound existed before") as a
kind of
primal wound of sorts. Rather like how Althusser says that our subjectivity
exists before we are even born (in the Freudian sense). So we are born into
our
oedipal trajectory.

Anyway, perhaps I can still do that.

Your email was very helpful, thank you, and gave me some avenues to pursue.

Are you an academic? What is your interest in Deleuze?

Thanks again...

Much appreciated, Tina


Quoting hwenk <hwenk at web.de> on Fri 03 Aug 2007 21:19:35 BST:

> Hello Tina,
>
> there is a new French edition from 1996,
> but I didn't found any translation (here in Germany) - like you, probably.
> The text is the last of Deleuze being published,
> and it is indeed very abstract.
>
> I don't know what you are doing,
> but "the wound" is a reference in a the last footnote where
> the connection between virtuality and
> happenings(?) has been elaborated and concretised.
>
> In a first order approximation
> one could see virtualities as
> dream/perception/thinking(all together, mixed, and differentiating while
> "living") - with emotion from the
> conscious side. But what is happening on the object side?
> A wound is subjective and objective (from medicine).
> The wound has also some objective subjective reality,
> to speak so, as for some  to have a wound is
> in certain limits the same, or recognizable - also understandable,
> also to have a wound is do much subjective that you are
> brought back sometimes to the
> pure life, which is mentioned as example,
> even if a bad guy is going to die,
> one tries to help.
>
> But, as I pointed out,
> I don't what you want.
> Even dreaming of a wound has its objective "effects"
> or thinking of a wound - even if you never get one.
> I am not trying to speak ex cathedra as
> canonical interpretation. Its my own in responding you after reading the
> text.
>
> But texts so abstract as this one from Deleuze are best
> understood to connect it
> to from experience or
> possible experience - what is also the theme of
> the text itself.
>
> So, maybe the question: Working on Deleuze without speaking French?
> Without any loss?
> This is for sure  possible on a B.A. level.
> So, to summarize - I am not aware of a translation of
> Bousquet and I  think to read
> another book of him is not so
> helpful in understand the text of Deleuze.
> Maybe you look in Difference and repetition
> or also in Duns Scot himself - keeping the wound in mind.
> But the text of Sartre is also very important for Deleuze,
> he quotes it in central passages in "what is philosophy".
>
>
> But, I don't what you know or try to do.
>
>
> Greetings Harald Wenk
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: [Deleuze-Guattari] The Wound (Deleuze)
>
>
> In 'Immanence: A Life' Deleuze refers to Bousquet's wound and cites his
work
> 'Les Capitales'. Can anyone tell me if this is available in English,
please?
> If
> not, does anyone know which translated works of Bousquet refer directly,
and
> in
> detail, to the wound.
>
> Also, does anyone know where Deleuze expands on this idea of the wound, if
> he
> does at all. Or if anyone else (say, poststructuralist) does.
>
> Thanks in anticipation, Tina (Cultural Studies BA student)
>
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