[D-G] to build by help, rhizome

Wed Apr 27 06:25:58 PDT 2005

Hello,

I thought everbody in this list knows, that one of the main features
of Deleuze and Guattari the principle of immanence, to cut off the
transcendental. This is done in  philosophy ba Spinoza, polemizing against
Aristotle's cause  of purpose (or target) and to maintain only the  
effective cause.

Deleuze and Guattari adopted in a certain way the material cause and the  
formal cause in the
double pince of expression (inspired by Hjelmsev) by form and material.

Now in differenetial geometry, in the conception of a manifiold, which  
Deleuze and Guattari thought the rhizom to be one, is made in such way,  
that the metric invariants are intrinsic. That means you need only
the measurements within the manifold. You don't need a space to be imbeded.
A surface is of dimesion two (n = 2), but it could only be imbeded in a  
space with a dimension more, i.e. three (n+1).

Now in philosophy or everday discourse the supplementary dimension is the  
metadiscourse.
So an argument is not answered directly, but by locating its function in  
the metadiscourse, at worst by name dropping.

This is no good for any discussion, which is a merit of Deleuze and  
Guattari to
have insisted on.

Therefore, as a rhizom is characterized by immanence, metadiscourses are  
to avoid.

greetings

Harald

Am Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:29:09 +0100 (BST) schrieb Lucy LeGentilSinge  
<lucy100millionyearsold at yahoo.co.uk>:

> less meta-discourse? need to rhizome? --- "Dr. Harald
> Wenk" <hwenk at web.de> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> real good idea. But perhaps not to miuch
>> metadiuscorse (n+1).
>>
>> greetings
>>
>> Harald
>>
>> Am Sun, 24 Apr 2005 03:50:15 +0100 (BST) schrieb
>> Lucy LeGentilSinge
>> <lucy100millionyearsold at yahoo.co.uk>:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > -
>> > -
>> >
>> > Merci Liza pour ta lettre d'hier soir. Adline est
>> > encore en voyage et elle n'aura probablement pas
>> pu
>> > répondre à ton courrier.
>> >
>> > Chèrs Ami,
>> > Dear Friends
>> > Cara Amigos
>> > Chaverim Tovim Sheli
>> >
>> > Nous, We, Nachnou, Anachnaou
>> >
>> > --Somebody beep and confirms me the Republic wants
>> me
>> > to talk in English. I am sure the Afraicans, the
>> > Eurasians, and the Micronesisans won't see this as
>> a
>> > capture of the Drift Line Politics --
>> >
>> > it's just so I'll do that more easily with my
>> friends
>> > and not yet seen people subscribed in this place.
>> >
>> > Yes, the motif the motivation for my talk, for
>> today
>> > is the one:
>> >     Can there be more debate on the list. Can
>> > subscriber talk about what they feel worthy of
>> > interest, that they would connect or not from
>> Deleuze
>> > and Guattari . So first 1)
>> > Can there be enough people who know of Deleuze and
>> > Guattari capable of actively interact does this
>> that
>> > is there, really making a sense as a relation
>> between
>> > you and me (i am saying this when the group is not
>> yet
>> > recognised by anybody else than me), but that I
>> can
>> > trust we won't get lost out of the maximum of
>> benefit
>> > we have enjoyed in the past of the list, from the
>> two
>> > authours, while, as it risqus being diminishing
>> now,
>> > and the fashion is waning, while the accademician
>> feel
>> > less concerned about the polemic side of Deleuze
>> and
>> > Guattari's book, so this world is starting to
>> vanish,
>> > and I was wondering if we could extend more
>> relations
>> > between Deleuze and Guattari, and re-ACT to this
>> > waning by infusing more relation of Deleuzian
>> > Guattari, or that belong to Universes of Value
>> with
>> > which they share Hyperboreales zones (cad zones of
>> > undisctinctions between first nature and second
>> > nature) and thus, well, I say this particularily
>> to my
>> > firend who is a very good supporter to me on this
>> > lists when I speak here, Stephano, and I say this
>> to
>> > you Stephano: I do not care about Ildegirsun
>> @yahoo.no
>> > being from the North, I am from the South, and we
>> need
>> > such type of Belongings of that sort if we want to
>> > build the rhizome. What is important now the
>> rhizome
>> > that we want to build here as not yet existed.
>> >
>> > We want to build a rhizome. The connotation
>> explicit,
>> > Deleuze ATP Guattari, is less clear: all flyers of
>> > popular TV Parties in European American Trendy
>> Events
>> > are misusing the word rhizome and make some of us
>> > "malveillant" malevolent, do you want to be
>> > malevolent? no! so we will use it with
>> benevolition,
>> > the word, rhizome, is there for us, natural,
>> immanent.
>> >
>> >
>> > It's strange, I am not sure of the quality. Other
>> > matter should be said, they can now find a place
>> where
>> > here they will be said, and that's what I want to
>> do,
>> > see if others are likely enthusiast about these
>> > possibilities for new, non-deleuzian expression,
>> done
>> > with admiration for Deleuze. The project is not
>> > original of course? And it is. But what is not
>> > original is those people who claim a project needs
>> to
>> > be original. Rhizome!!! What shall we do then,
>> only
>> > rhizomes?
>> >
>> > For a while, I should say, until some start to
>> > disagree, we will gradually assume democratic
>> > decisions for the group according to a vote for
>> > changing Rhizome's characteristics.
>> >
>> > Because we are poet, we have the right to call
>> > whatever list on the internet the way it has been
>> > designed, Drift, we can for example Drift, we can,
>> > call this list: Rhizome.
>> >
>> > And remember how many readings of Rhizome will not
>> be
>> > competitive towards a real self-made thought, on
>> the
>> > rhizome plateau itself.
>> >
>> > So please, let's Rhizomise.
>> >
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