[D-G] Deleuze-Guattari Digest, Vol 63, Issue 1

Harald Wenk hwenk at web.de
Thu May 6 03:42:15 PDT 2010

Dear Xavier,

The question you posed, if it is from Negri/Hardt or not,
maybe answerd as followed:

The fierce critic of computers, Weizenbaum, claimed that
the microcomputer "saved" capitalism.

This is in a way true, as the automatization of production and the isolation 
of the workers from one another ,  amplified by the very strong "memory" 
effect of programmes, that is, the programmer is absent from the production 
and a programme runs "one for all time".

As the computers in production are wholly in the hand of the capitalists, 
from their point of view, their possibiltity to "play" with the neccesity of 
the present workers and the
times of production and the possibilities of their substitution are very 

As programs are even more "esoteric", not or very seldom public discussed 
and if very fruitless, the "dangerous" intellutcual work is banned from 
direct production to a very large

Therefore, intellectual work is very much pulled to media and to politics.
But here, we have the calamity, that question of power are more and more 
decided by property of money or dedictaed to
the power of directing the property of money.

Unfortunately, these tendencies are much more "ignored" and treated in a 
very defensive way, in spite to the alternativeless direct profit of all, 
especially wage earning people,
of the tremendous quantitative and qualitative progress of production and 
consumption by computer technology.

To many "revensionistic" sabotating politicians and even union man
have "let go" the accumulation of capital to this huge amount with very high 
speed technology.

So, computer technolgy stays to be a bliss, as the health of people is much 
saved, but the question of property and directing them and the fate of the 
spared work
are very much urgent, than the majority of people dares to think.

Here, he right information could move a lot.
So, let us go ahead with that.

best regards

Dr. rer. Nat. Harrald Wenk

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> From: Mas Que Palabras <xavier.buades at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [D-G] Machines
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> My impression was that the Unconscious was
> a field wherin machines could connect.
> The Unconscious was like the Internet,
> which is not a machine.
> A machine is useful for the Individual
> when it provides him & her stuffs (qualities and quantities)
> it
> otherwise don't get. At the opposite pole
> you have the Internet as an insuperable inertia
> which it is impossible to think, which is why I think
> I want to stated it was like an Unconscious.
> But the idea of Unconscious is almost
> like religious. Something that you do not
> understand, you send it to the category "Unconscious".
> Deleuze & Guattari strived hard to get everything
> productive (please correct me if wrong ).
> I think labor is a fun, and that there is no fear
> to get payd for doing labor or for not doing it, as Negri is stated
> in Wikkipedia French.
> There's no need to fear that the world will stop spinning on itself.
> If people are paid for not working, something interesting
> will happen. Because people will learn how to play/work.
> No, something which is less evident for me, is what Hardt & Negri
> state in the first chapter of Empire.
> They are saying, they are uttering, that machines were created to get
> rid of autonomy due to the workers strikes and revolutions. The
> benefit of revolutions hampered by new technologicall devices. If
> someone could justify, or more simply explain the passage to me, he
> and she would be most welcome.
> Honestly, I am even getting to the point of doubting, unsure there's
> an Empire, due to the fact I lack the eyes, the dispositif, the
> post-human eyes to see through it with clarity, clear. Of course it
> would not anymore be called the "eyes". I see one benefit in machines
> to that respect, for the Individuals/Multitudes, in the machines: to
> fashion such eyes.
> My Deep Respect
> Xavier Buades
> 2010/3/24 Sylvie Ruelle
> <<mailto:sylvie_ruelle at sbcglobal.net>sylvie_ruelle at sbcglobal.net>
> I am trying to understand the benefit of machines to individuals? ?I
> see that machines interact with the unconscious, I think.
> Sylvie Ruelle
> Arcata, CA
> <mailto:sylvie_ruelle at sbcglobal.net>sylvie_ruelle at sbcglobal.net
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