[D-G] 1949 Diss. on Spinoza and Vedanta

hwenk hwenk at web.de
Mon Jan 12 07:46:01 PST 2009

Dear Mr. Bains,

There seems to be a whole discussion on biosemiotics/biolinguistics.

You know that subjectvation has become the theme of the late
Guattri, in his book "chasmose" this is strongly emphasized.
You or another Paul Bains  has written a forweord or an
essay in the english translation in 1995, absent in my french original
from 1992.

As the subject evolves in the brain as in the mouth the teeth,
somthing like heredity of esential or charcter by the DNA
is in Deleuze and Guattris subjectivationas ontological memory.
Here Ruyer is a specialist.
The subject is a strata in the brain.

Indeed, the dissolution of the drop of water in the ocean,
the personal atman in the unversal soul, is a constant struggle in Vedanta,
as the water stays the same - dissolution the I  or not?
Of course you are aquanited with thr fierce polemics between Vedantins, 
getting an I feeling as guarantee of identity as such
and the buddhist, negating a real I.

Mrs. Stengers has been forced to switch from natural science
to politics and economics, that is a bad "sign" concerning our times.
I hope this will not revive the old pre- or and first signifikant semiotics 
of despots ansd scapegoats.

greetings Harald Wenk
I am not able to read spanish, but the thme looks very interesting.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul adrian Bains" <pbains at xtra.co.nz>
To: <deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org>
Cc: "peter maxwell" <autonamigo at hotmail.com>; "Isabelle Stengers" 
<istenger at ulb.ac.be>; <postmaster at neurobiol.cyt.edu.ar>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [D-G] 1949 Diss. on Spinoza and Vedanta

> hi harald,
> I probably should unsubscribe!
> My knowledge of spinoza is 0 - and my acquaintance with D&G was limited to 
> a few themes - partic the influence of Raymond Ruyer in What is Phil?
> I guess that your wide ranging readings would exceed my limited knowlede 
> base. My main interest these days (in a vaguely academic genre) is the 
> later work of Isabelle Stengers such as La Sorcellerie Capitaliste 
> (possibly under translation), and the Argentinian/German school of 
> Electroneurobiology:
> http://electroneubio.secyt.gov.ar/
> particularly the essay 'Palindrome' by Mario Crocco.
> Otherwise I am enjoying the work of Paul Williams Robert such as Journey 
> of the Magi and Empire of the Soul
> I would not subscribe to the complete dissolution of the 'subject' that 
> some find in d/g and which is a common theme in vedanta. But is there not 
> some minimal subject onto which these assemblages are grafted? (1000P). 
> With the work of Daniel Stern Guattari would also affirm a kind of core 
> subjectivity - one that does not 'emerge'....but which is fundamental.....
> When Henry Corbin once said to Gurdjieff 'I do not exist,' G replied 
> 'that's a pity.'
> there seems to be a lot out there on d/g, spinoza, vedanta, (including 
> you):
> http://www.rationalvedanta.net/bios/rationalists/spinoza
> cheers,
> Paul
> Am 10.01.2009, 20:51 Uhr, schrieb Paul adrian Bains <pbains at xtra.co.nz>:
> Dear Paul Bains,
> I am very pleased to see you active in this group.
> I think you mean, the philosophivcal standard of the 1949 dissertation is
> not the one of critical western philosophical faculties.
> More of a headquater of a church or something like that?
> What you wrote may be, but Spinoza as absolute rationalism may do it the
> other way round.
> I think in the light of a "philosophia perennis" and
> the absolute rationalism of Spinoza combined with his
> very abstract atomism, it is very surprising
> how his doctrine is the same, properly read.
> I donn't claim it is done in that book,
> as far as I rembember the author claims very much differences.
> Especially the unity of substance
> behind the different senses for example are almost identical in both
> doctrines.
> Being as quality with the water metaphore is used in both.
> The therory of imagination and error and psychic matter
> is in my eyes among others in the notion of "maya" encoded too.
> I am not aware if there are really other so far absolute
> rationalistc philosophies as Spinoza and Vedanta.
> As I am aquantained with your name through biolinguistics,
> and just read in course of Thousanfd plateus 5
> for the regimes of signs.
> Now, in Spinoza signs are build up of images,
> which are very "light".
> I am curious, if the building of signs is really done as
> multiple overlay in the memory of lots of images
> and how this is done on a molecular level.
> The signifikant comes from the face (visagite).
> This is the hook for the affects and passions - the existental.
> The interpretation in a regime of signs is much more
> by "affects" or existental, until there is a
> subjectivation.
> This is taken up by D&G for the role of the face for existential
> semiotics in mass media.
> It is very interesting, if there are "unpersonal" signs
> giving existential subjectvations.
> The absolute rationalism is a further stage of absolute deterroialisation
> than ratio&passio (in D&G sense, not absolute rationalism) of the with the
> body without organs.
> This seems to be the same as Spinozas clear and distinct idea of a affect,
> namely as chemico-electrical sense perception with
> blissfull voluptas und creative thinking.
> In Book V of the Ethics.
> This is the same in Indian philosophy, especially Samkhya, Yoga
> and Vedanta (Sat, Chit, Ananda).
> greetings Harald Wenk
>> I guess anything published by Banares Hindu Univ. will show how 'x' is
>> vedanta....or in what way vedanta is better....than 'x'.
>> Greetings,
>> paul
>> ________________________________
>> From: hwenk <hwenk at web.de>
>> To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>> Sent: Sunday, 11 January, 2009 3:42:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [D-G] 1949 Diss. on Spinoza and Vedanta
>> Hello Susan,
>> Here we are:
>> Spinoza in the light of the Vedanta
>> Autor/in Tripathi, Rama Kanta
>> Abstract (1.ed.)
>> Banaras (1957). XIV,349 S.[Benedictus de Spinoza]
>> (Banaras Hindu Univ. Darsana Series. 1.)
>> Jahr 1957
>> You may get her in Germany in a University library in Munich.
>> It is thr first dissertation of this "official" Series.
>> This may have the reason, that Spinoza is doing metaphysics
>> in accordance with Vedanta, although some differences are found
>> in the book.
>> But, two heads, ten thinkings, that is very usual.
>> Going the other way than usual: your interst is more in Spinoza, Vedanta,
>> Deleuze Guattari or a theme covered
>> by them all like liberation (moksha?).
>> greetings Harald Wenk
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