[D-G] deleuze and benjamin on violence

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I like where you go with this. 

In an aisde about Benjamin - he was a German Jew on the run from the Nazis who, as i have been told committed suicide in 1940 on the border of Spain/France - his intersections with Capitalism, the War Machine, The State and suicide are infinitely prodcutive not least because he presents the individuals persepctive/experience on the implosion of life under the the combinations of varied projects as knowledge not belief. As he would have been fond to point out and as Arendt notes in the introduction to Illuminations, there is a correlation between a thought, a street scene, a speculation on the stock market, the War Machine's non minoritarian position with the hidden line/connection/flow/plug/coupling (s) that holds them together.

Please continue with the war machine stuff - it seems very pertinent. One question i am interested in is how Virilio's war machine plays into this space you are exploring?

In an email dated Tue, 28 2 2006 5:54:34 pm GMT, Gondo -Minnie <gondominnie at yahoo.co.uk> writes:

>Hi
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>   i am thinking also about the topic of war machine and this is what i think
>  i think the war machine DG said can be in relation
>  to the state. what i do not measure, is the way takes off this relation.
>  in ATP there's two Machines of War position, see  of Apparatus of Capture Chapter
>  Did Benjamin not write during the second world war, and was particulary concerned with Nazi
>  I am somewhat shame ridden to say:
>  In the way Nazis were an implosion of Capitalism, a capture by the Third Reich of segments and flows of the war machine of capitalism, yet turning it against itself. It did so in reason thereof Capitalism shared coexistence or combination with States like France, America, Russia (Britain etc)
>  and wish i d Rather say: 
>  Deleuze say Nazi were suicidary. i took the States (cfr Mein Kamph in Propaganda) 
>  values, ressources, and vampirized it. Which triggered this is a 1929 crisis, external, to Germany.
>  The question for Agamben, might be: what with the modern day War Machine in its non minoritarian position. The simple fact of its exteriority, implies States are combined, in the activity of the War Machine. The violence you speaketh therewhichcomes from the reterritorialisation on the ressources of States (I guess this can be energy, but can be values, in reason States incorporeates values and energies.) for the active of the War Machine.
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>  Please answer if I am correct.If this goes your way, and helps. I would like your opinion because my thought need be perfect. Gracias.
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>  Ciao
>  G.
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>Nicholas Kiersey <nkiersey at vt.edu> wrote:
>  Dear D&G folks:
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>Having read Deleuze and Guattari a bit on nomadism and the concept of 
>the war machine some time back, I am today reading Agamben on 
>Benjamin's notion of a 'pure violence' that undermines sovereignty by 
>virtue of the "simple fact of its exteriority".
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>Can someone tell me if they share my feeling that there is a 
>resonance between the war machine and benjamin's pure violence? Has 
>this been explored? Is there somewhere Agamben elaborates on this in 
>detail?
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>Perhaps someone more involved in these literatures might be able to 
>shed some light?
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>Thanks,
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>NiK
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