[D-G] Social List - Novalis "Writing is " OGM -

Fri Feb 24 13:40:27 PST 2006

  Yes Harald,

  The start of the twenty's century saw painting illustrating independance of Art in shattering colours.
  It kepts its relation with the old world which
  manifests its otherwize decay. Mistake, one can think of the Art of those times
  , as the situation will need to decay more, so that Grand Art may emerge.

  This calls for a reflexion on Art in the centuries following the destruction of society as seen in those times, and ours is part of this movement.

  So I guess in this progress, the quote is appropriate, when you assimilate the project of international liberation of the proletariat-bourgeois class divide, in a terminology of
  highest joy (in your incessant) and i think in these terms appropriate, but not so much, when happyness for all seems not practically engaging a sentiment for such a liberation. You cannot start with such a hugely fuzzy entity actually properly _think_
  the liberation. You need smaller instruments (for example the concept of DG instaed than setting the struggle in a kind of dead end they way you usually do it.

  I have hurted to your feeling as regards to saying banality play in the world in which we live, but i do not
  seek to be accused of propagating sadness or depression for that, and trying to seduce you so that you would think that after a while things are as you thought previously, not so bad. The age is sarcastic, tragical, and demands gentleness, the scientists demand gentleness but for what, to illustrate what function? Working for Companies they will not get much gentlesness and care for their values to be transferred through the process of production of their reseach, may be the Universities, and the struggle might occur there, yet, at the moment, it is not occuring, in any case, let's be practicle indeed and cold, and serious when we think about these ideas.

  NB If you talked a bit more precisely about what some aspect you might have some want to share the list, a bit less or a bit more of mask, would help me to be mindful of not hurting this or that aspect of your bodyu requisite in reception of letters.

  Regards

  Gondo
hwenk <hwenk at web.de> wrote:
  Hello,

to be honest, I cannot
see any relation to my response to
your last email.

greetings Harald WEnk
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-Minnie
Sent: Freitag, 24. Februar 2006 19:15
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Subject: Re: [D-G] Social List - Novalis "Writing is " OGM -

When Art becoming independent represents its world with shattering colours,
a moment out of life has grown old, and it can not be made young anew with
the added shattering colours. Only let itself hinted in representation . The
grandeur greatness of Art begins again/ starts to show at the fall of life
only.

hwenk wrote:
Hello,

if spo called banalties are
completely neglegced or the opposite
ist taken without any argument.
Then every chance of a
thinking or practice wich has something to do with
liberation and achieving the
greater happiness of the greatest number - which is my starting point for
political issues.
The greatest number includes normally the writer and the replier.

Sometimes I have the impression even this banality is neglegcted.

greetings Harald Wenk
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[mailto:deleuze-guattari-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On Behalf Of Gondo
-Minnie
Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 14:32
To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [D-G] Social List - Novalis "Writing is " OGM -

to say that all people know what they excospect, is like when Deleuze say in
Pourparler: we say: "tout le monde sait bien... everybody knows...
a sentence starting by these words must be referring to a political
agenda, and is a slogan.
why Turning Marx upside down, personnaly why do you talk often about Left
as something which would have a meaning that you seem to have an understand
thereof, meanwhile Marx is turned upside down somehow, and routine work,
banality becomes elevated to the rank of a motto for your idea of life of
not so bad life.

see ya

hwenk wrote:
Hello,

I refer to the theory of Spinoza that the essence of every being is to
stay in being (conatus), to try to exist further on. The normal economic way
of thinking is that companies are there for earning money.
But most of the money is reinvested and has to, for otherwise
the money incorporated in the company, the capital, which is normally
greater than the
money gained in one period, is lost.
This, in some thinking, bounds to say that you don't posses the company but
the companies
possess you. Especially if you want to earn money for
a unfinished number of periods.
Now to make science appropriate for new inventions for the market is
normally to
expensive and is done only in very big companies like IBM or ITT,
also relying on high parts on university scientific research.
The way engineers invent is very often
professional zed by tools, also mathematical theories,
which make things easier and bound to be computed and foreseen.
This, in terms of Marx, boils invention in large parts down to
some kind of average or routine work.
This can also be rationalized by computer programs,
as it is done for example for the layout of the
design of new microchips, which is computer aided.
As you can see, there are always new microchips developed.
Sometimes there is even a road map of the development
of new chips, that are long term plans with stages.

This is not so bad, for all people know what they have to expect,
which gives a secure or controlled development.

greetings Harald Wenk

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