[D-G] theater performance practitioners?

Liza Kozner liza_kozner at yahoo.co.uk
Wed Oct 12 08:19:40 PDT 2005


it could be nice to discuss wouldn'it, to discuss how deleuze is interesting for performance, what how you use of the ideas inspired to you by the reading of deleuze (i don't know the third eye of gysin but i am sure more instructed ppl would be glad to know as well what they do, what is transformed of their ideas) into performance. what did you think of what i said yesterday on  discussing with actors. what is the difference between performance and performance in the classical for Cinema actresses and actors? in what point do you need to document by such as dg to come into practice? at what point of the practice do you need, and what do you do when you work in your lab, more precisely than what you have said, it's important to say if we can learn to see what apport, what interplay between performative of dg and performance, what kind of, besides references, what kind of performance do you do, tell us a bit and after i will try to learn an idea what your idea of performance is,
 beneath the word itself.

Julia Barclay <julia at flyingoutofsequence.org> wrote:don't want to weigh in on the controversy here, except to say I am an 
artist, but one who is also writing a PhD about my work, so I live in the 
gap between the two worlds you have defined. My hope is to stand in the 
middle of the gap between the two cliffs of art and theory and clap, thereby 
creating a resonant sound. In the rhizome chapter of D&G they talk about 
standing in the middle, which I like, a lot. Is this possible? Don't have 
a clue yet, though have moments of seeming-clarity....whether I'm 
interesting or not is certainly not for me to say. I have a theater/re 
company called Apocryphal Theatre. I run a once-a-week exploratory lab 
looking into the nature of performance...reading D&G back in the early 90's 
(and outside of academia) gave me some interesting frameworks for these 
explorations...
I also read a lot of Burroughs/Gysin stuff, The Third Mind, for example, 
which was quite influential. Also I write stage texts, which also have 
improvisational openings. I love artists such as Deborah Hay, John Cage, 
Robert Rauschenberg and even 'classical' playwrights like Beckett and 
Kane...I also love hearing the rhythm of shoes at Liverpool Street station 
in London during rush hour and at 59th Street and 3rd Ave in NYC...the life 
and art divide I think is over-rated...I love Deborah Hay (the 
dancer/choreographer)'s idea of 'playing awake.' It does take discipline 
though, and that's where the art comes in, I think...
Some of my writing is published, if that matters, and as for Stelarc I met 
him recently at a conference. He seems like quite a nice man but the 
cyborg/virtual thing leaves me cold. I'm a Luddite at heart and look for 
the nomadic/ viral/ rhizomatic in the moment, in the 
inter-cellular-molecular energies between performers and their bodies and 
words and minds etc...also between the clashes and coinciding moments 
between theater/music/dance etc.
Hope this helps...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Liza Kozner" 

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Subject: Re: [D-G] theater performance practitioners?


> Ah... yes! of course... this is Performance and Classical Avant-Guarde, 
> picked up hypo critically by the intellos in the trail of DG. I think 
> Performance is about anybody's reach, daily, day to day, not about the 
> Ghetto of Avant-Guarde artists such as this type of "Performance". But 
> alas I might be not trendy, especially for Deleuze Readers .
>
> Is there anybody in Brussels going to the Argos Film Festival? or anybody 
> in the World going to Deleuze Avant-Guardist Events and who are wondering 
> if it's the "thing", and if this is all really interesting.? Because 
> Massumi for example, I am not sure about this kind of event. (I saw him 
> perform live and it was not a good one) I think it's enough with Deleuze, 
> there's no need to have more, and to feel concerned by Deleuze more than 
> necessary than what we can reach already. There's no need of existence for 
> such a list. Well at the moment. I am always hoping something could happen 
> and the Film Fanatics would bump the Intellos out for good. Always little 
> sentences like yours saying nothing actually. I hope Julia is an 
> interesting person and an artist. Not a degenerate cyborg self conscious 
> en plus. En plus to be a cyborg you have to be self conscious, and 
> communicative.
> Luke Feast wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Brian Massumi has an essay on an Australian performance artist Stelarc, in
> his book Parables for the Virtual, might be worth a look at.
>
> Massumi, Brian. *Parables for the virtual: movement, affect, sensation*,
> Durham, NC, Duke University Press, 2002 pp. 89-132
>
> also www.stelarc.va.com.au
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/12/05, Julia Barclay wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>> I joined this recently and am working on a practice-based PhD in the UK
>> (though I from NYC) relating my own theater/re practice to D&G, 
>> especially
>> desiring machines and rhizomatics...though this may shift some...
>> So my question to the list is: is anyone else on this list that creates
>> live
>> performances, anywhere in the world, of any kind that has also been
>> influenced by D&G or know of anyone else who has, who would be willing to
>> discuss this with me?
>> Thanks,
>> Julia
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Julia Barclay"
>> To:
>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 3:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [D-G] Hello everyone
>>
>>
>> > Brian Massumi wrote an intro in the Brit edition.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Gondo -Minnie"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:55 AM
>> > Subject: RE: [D-G] Hello everyone
>> >
>> >
>> >> hello harald, did you read an intro who wrote it?i
>> >> found none in my own edition is it good what is it
>> >> about?cheers
>> >> ---
>> >> deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces at lists.driftline.org
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Hello,
>> >>>
>> >>> what about reading the introduction of ATP?
>> >>>
>> >>> greetings Harald Wenk
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From:
>> >> deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces at lists.driftline.org
>> >>>
>> >> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On
>> >>> Behalf Of brendan mccall
>> >>> Sent: Montag, 3. Oktober 2005 09:27
>> >>> To: deleuze-guattari at lists.driftline.org
>> >>> Subject: [D-G] Hello everyone!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi, I just joined the listserv and wanted to
>> >> introduce myself.
>> >>>
>> >>> My name is Brendan McCall, and I am finishing up my
>> >> undergraduate work at
>> >>> Penn
>> >>> State. I wanted to join this listserv so I can get
>> >> a better understanding
>> >>> of
>> >>> Deleuze and Guattari (naturally, I suppose : ).
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyway, I have a minimal understanding of D/G and I
>> >> am now interested in
>> >>> reading
>> >>> Haraway's Cyborg Manifesto in light of the excerpts
>> >> I've seen from A
>> >>> Thousand
>> >>> Plateaus. I don't really know where I am going with
>> >> that, but I keep coming
>> >>> back to similarities between D/G's organic model
>> >> (with rhizomes or whatever)
>> >>> to
>> >>> Haraway's digital model of connections through
>> >> cybernetic networks. In the
>> >>> end, I think both a ripe with potential to my own
>> >> evolving political PoV.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm wondering if anyone here sees something similar
>> >> or if I am talking about
>> >>> something that's painfully obvious to all of you.
>> >> If anyone is interested,
>> >>> I
>> >>> would like to talk a little about that as I read
>> >> through A Thousand
>> >>> Plateaus,
>> >>> which I should probably pick up one of these days...
>> >> I only have stuff
>> >>> that's
>> >>> anthologized.
>> >>>
>> >>> One more thing, I've been wondering if the record
>> >> label Mille Plateau took
>> >>> the
>> >>> name from D/G or if its coincidental... Is there a
>> >> story behind that or
>> >>> something?
>> >>> Glad to be aboard,
>> >>> Brendan
>> >>>
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