[D-G] Cascading Cultural Capital Style Sheets

Mark Crosby Crosby_M at rocketmail.com
Mon Feb 28 14:12:55 PST 2005

--- Chris Chapman <chapman0603 at rogers.com> wrote:
> Mark, this is great, gets to my subsequent
> compare/contrast D&G to Bourdieu on the meaning of
> Labov's research. Kester is right abt the 'cosmic
> memory' but his is a trivializing mention.

I'm not knocking (on Heaven's Door ?) the 'cosmic
memory', just the claim that only the elite would have
any access (although I must confess to often getting
an 'access denied' - like, uh, when I try to recall
Labov ;) 

> Do you have any ideas abt Modernist ethologists, or
> moments of this?
> Chris

Funny! just did a Google search on 'Modernist
ethologists' and the first thing to pop up was Craig
Smith's "Across the widest gulf: nonhuman subjectivity
in Virginia Woolf's FLUSH" at

And another interesting pop-up was Milan Jaros'
"Ethological knowledge maps of liminal territories" at
Http://limen.mi2.hr/limen1-2001/milan_jaros.html -
which bounces the quasi-objects of Brian Cantwell
Smith off the geo-philosophy of Deleuze and Guattari.
I got the impression that Kester thinks of 'the
environment' as something 'external' that the
community may simply work its will upon.. 

I'm not too current on ethology (except for the zoo I
work in ;) but was recently reading "Anticipatory
Systems" by the late relational biologist Robert Rosen
- portions available in the first issue of _BioTheory:
An E-Journal of General Science in the Rosennean
Complexity Paradigm_ at
and was struck by what Rosen says, that since
scientific models - particularly those of
sociobiologists - "explicitly forbid present change of
state to depend on future states, we will be driven to
understand the behavior of such a system in a purely
reactive mode" - that is, in a dialectic of opposing

Also recently watched the video _Party Monsters_ -
does that qualify as ethological research? - Mark

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> --- Sylvie Ruelle <sylvieruelle at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > lucy,
> > i think the text is false but related to your
> > discussion with chris. deleuze does talk about
> > minorities, whereas this "don't go with the flow"
> > text say's he does not. deleuze and guattari, for
> > example, speak of black panthers...
> When I mentioned cartoons and comic strips to Sid I
> wasn't thinking of the sort of caricature that Grant
> Kester draws of Deleuze and Guattari at
> What a bordelloan Deleuze in drag! Beautiful souls,
> "monadic subjects", "treating the artist as an ideal
> being" with elite access to the "cosmic memory", "a
> kind of universalized bohemianism" that is somehow
> ONLY "determined by internal rather than external
> differentiation... sealed from discursive
> interaction with the external world"!
> "this mode of being", Kester says, referring to the
> body without organs, "is offered as something yet to
> be achieved. It does not currently exist, except in
> fragmented and dispersed forms (as in art-making or
> schizophrenia, for example)". Oh, well, of course
> THOSE don't count! 
> Poor Deleuze, "He is left with the problem of how
> his monadic subjects might communicate or form
> political or social alliances" given that "aesthetic
> force ... can only operate in rare moments of
> spontaneous political action, effectively excluding
> and marginalizing many forms of resistance that have
> made political change possible in the past" -- like
> the Black Panthers, I suppose.. 
> Final panel: Bigfoots rush into the rain forest
> beating their breasts and singing, "Some of us are
> prisoners and some of us are guards".. fade to
> voice-over:
> "Participation must be thought of in a completely
> positive way, not on the basis of an eminent gift,
> but on the basis of a formal community that allows
> the distinction of essences to subsist"
(_Expressionism in Philosophy: Spinoza_ 174)

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