[D-G] Things said and things unsaid

Chris Chapman chapman0603 at rogers.com
Mon Feb 21 09:57:39 PST 2005

It's the deeply porous, miraculated nature of all transactions for me --
where G&D noticed the potential for a world where culture could be converted
into capital the dialectic has shifted such that there is no distinction
left for the conversion to affect.  It's become culture writ large, the
unfortunate help by capital in uncovering the real, has been ameliorated by
Dr. Phil, diversified RRSPs and group [machinic] decisions.   Our privilege
states that poverty is only a state of mind as long as we remain positive
and committed.  We've lost the sense of what Imperialism is -- the end to
our rightful aspirations and we've lost touch with the ire that this
knowledge justifies. 

Chris Chapman

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Subject: Re: [D-G] Things said and things unsaid

One thing I notice with this list is the age range... there is a new  
generation and the older is even "newer" than the new....  Sometimes it  
simply makes no sense what someone is talking about in here.  And, I  
say this because I am young and was not even alive in May 1968... not  
even knowing what it was... Yes, I read Deleuze and try to understand  
but, we are dealing with different practical problems, things have  
created into other things, some things have failed, and the forces are  
much different than before... seeming more diversified and yet maybe  
not as free today???

On Feb 21, 2005, at 9:08 AM, sid littlefield wrote:

> To clear some confusion and ask another question:
> My original post, that started a bit action, was not a condemnation of  
> all poetry or creative posts to this list, nor was it an attempt to  
> maintain the "original identity" of this list. It was a particular  
> reaction to "bad poetry." The fact that it has gotten such a response  
> from certain members (some even calling for my removal) strikes me as  
> strange since I did not mention a specific entity that should question  
> their own posts.  This unconscious reaction seems to me to verify my  
> original post. So now that that is cleared up, I have this question:
> For a poilitics of the left to not only continue to exist (which it  
> seems to barely be doing at this point) but became viable once again  
> it seems that we should re-think the conditions that we find ourselves  
> within today, and how these conditions differ significantly from the  
> time of the 60's, a time when most of the philosophers that we are  
> drawn to are writing and/or beginning to formulate a thought, or  
> series of thoughts. Is idenity, the signifying language system, and so  
> one, truly what (to use a sort of out of fashion term) oppresses us  
> and, more importantly, the third-, forth- world? I am thinking of this  
> in terms of D & G's use of and understanding of Marx.  Can we not  
> understand Capital today, at the beginning of the 21st century, as  
> already opperating on a level of non-identity/a-signification? Yes,  
> capital must always reterritorialize (the revolution of the means of  
> production feeds the desire that capitalism has promised to fulfill)  
> but what if it no longer opperates under the signs of identity?
> So this is my question:
> What has changed since the May '68 in terms of our conditions for  
> political thought and action?
> sid
> "Speed is the elegance of thought, which mocks stupidity, heavy and  
> slow. Intellegence thinks and says the unexpected; it moves with the  
> fly.  A fool is defined by predictability."   Michel Serres
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