[D-G] explain please

Marcio psicopr at yahoo.com.br
Wed Nov 24 12:59:11 PST 2004 

From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org at lists.driftline.org
Date: 11/20/04 19:42:28
To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org at lists.driftline.org
Subject: RE: [D-G] drift line
 
??????
 
i understand this wright? one people making polemics, speaking in the place
of others?
 
Some people live with less than 2 dollars per day, not like you. The price
of a book is very very very high in Brazil, and public or communitary
internet is a optional way to obtain some aprendice, or texts, or new
contacts with people, or learn how to read in english, because dont have
money to pay a course, or to pay a book. Not like you, who have your
beautifull job, drinking whisky and saying "i´m a creator of concepts", in
the high of your...
 
Judging me??? Making polemics with me??? Great concept creator! Great
creator of new modes of existence! "We are creators of concepts; and i say,
in the high of my position: you´re not! go out!"
 
Well, i´m yes a learner, without money, agencing with others, turning others
 making other spaces with others, seeking new concepts to fight my guerrilla
 and not your war of polemics. I need this to live, to obtain food day by
day. Not like the judgers/priests who aclaim himselves 'creators of concepts

 
 
 
 
arisensilently at fastmail.fm wrote:
Yeah right.
There are a few people who participate, who create and don't respond to
anything else but themselves on this list.
txx
 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:deleuze-guattari-driftline.org-bounces at lists.driftline.org]On
> Behalf Of adline vanlindenbergh
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:01 AM
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> Subject: Re: [D-G] drift line
>
>
> is there no other insight for adventure than going into asking THIS
> here: this places is devoted to the creation of concepts, feellings, and
> percepts, and the schizoanalysis of philosophy as done, both by deleuze
> guattari foucault, but by the schizoanalysis of social field, the
> injection of social statements, machinique statements into philosophy
> art and science, it's the blossoming of a new civilsation and reactive
> individuals like you should live in unversities and die there, the
> becoming non philosophical of their philosophy is that which l foster
> ways, modes of thoughts, enable us to constrcut a plane of immannence.
> you statements are here part of the social flows mechaniscism allowing
> special hidden pompuousity to babble. you are the objects of
> philosophy's analyisi, not students looking for book as a mask you use
> in your e-mail signifies and "communicates", entertain "internet" modern
> day capitalism. not paradox but truth. join us and create things, stop
> learning (whitehead said in modes of thoughts) performative, both
> foucault and delguat love performative in the language which is freed
> from what he has to say in a social field (universities, bookstores,
> propaganda of iconic deleuze, iconic satre, etc) you stuck, get away
> (please) these lists are for philosophy and creativity, invention of
> politics, and science, up to the difficulty of this cibvilisation, not
> your personal subscription to a paper you have to write for a random
> teacher of orders in the conceptuality. stop reinjecting reactivity to
> the real creative people we only have this place to mix and elaborate
> intelligente di
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:21:17 -0800, arisensilently at fastmail.fm said:
> > Deleuze on Foucault: Critique and Power, recasting the Foucualt/Habermas
> > debate;edited by Michael Kelly, MIT press.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:16:06 -0300 (ART), "psicopr"
> >
said:
> > > I´m looking for some e-texts writed by Gilles Deleuze:
> > >
> > > "Qu'est-ce qu'un dispositif?", and "Foucault, Historien du présent"
> > >
> > > Can anyone help me, sending by reference or e-mail?
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Marcio
> > >
 
 
 
"Por mais que você tenha percorrido muitos caminhos, ainda na vida haverão
muitos caminhos a percorrer" - Santo Agostinho
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From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org at lists.driftline.org
Date: 11/24/04 18:21:14
To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org at lists.driftline.org
Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please
 
Marcio,
This is confusing.  If you don't mind, I would like to understand.  I
will break down what I am reading and ask, ok?
Sylvie -->
 
You did not say "What"?  What was THAT?
It was not understood you were asking for a "text"?  I think it was
understood.
Your question for a text was received in many different places in
different ways...
The other monies are high in Brazil.  Purchasing power is low.  Books
are expensive.  Library is good, no?
"important to agency'"?  This is confusing to me.  What agency?
One is aware of life.  But also unaware.
Someone told you to "go-out"?  Who said this?
Someone told you "you did not understand anything"?
 
excuse my questions if they are maddening
 
On Nov 24, 2004, at 12:05 PM, Marcio wrote:
 
> I did not say that. I said that I had been judged only for asking for
> a text
>  And i said that my question was received with a pre-concept, in a
> list of
> creators of concepts".  And i said in Brazil the price of a book is
> high,
> and i said DG  is important to "agency" about a lot of questions. But
> more
> pre-concepts: "you are not aware of DG". What mean to be or not to be
> aware
> of DG? Will you say the rules to be 'aware'? Who eats what?
>
> In the message, was writed: "go out", you are only a "academic", "you
> did
> not understand anything".
>
> But it doesnt matter, its only polemics.
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org at lists.driftline.org
> Date: 11/24/04 17:11:37
> To: deleuze-guattari-driftline.org at lists.driftline.org
> Subject: Re: [D-G] explain please
>
> There are certain people who get energy from air, who live in the
> mountains.
> Well, of course water is necessary for our ocean bodies.  But what's in
> the water?
>
> But I have a D-G friend who is Brazilian and say's "It's my food".
> It takes a certain cultural-cultural jump to understand.
> The gestures he say's when he say's that, the body language, the eyes,
> the way it is said, it only seems clear to me then.  But there are
> those unaware of D-G...  They eat something else.
> Probably, he means, well, "If I don't get this, I will die".  Like "The
> world needs this.  Or we shall perish"
>
> Sure one can eat and eat forever until a certain point like a "hungry
> mungry" with food.  But D-G 'thinking' is a substance too.
>
> just a little silly input
>
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2004, at 9:15 AM, James Depew wrote:
>
>> Can we resolve this very political (and personal) question of "how
>> reading helps us eat" from a D+G perspective?  I take it that what is
>> intended is how can understanding the reality of becoming, etc.,
>> provide a means of survival where the previously wasn't one.  Becoming
>> a non-eater?  More realistically, without intervention, becoming
>> extinct.  How do we reconcile an individual death with a becoming
>> determined at the pre-individual level?
>>
>> foris
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:50:51 -0600, Keith Appler
>> <gkappler at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>> You articulate my sense of it very well.  I've only dabbled in
>>> Deleuzian
>>> theory until very recently.  My background and my wife are
>>> dialectically
>>> materialist, which makes this form of taoism somewhat hard to
>>> swallow,
>>> though less so after Bush's success in the election.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 03:07 AM 11/24/2004, you wrote:
>>>> for me, intuitively, i understand line of flight as an escape from
>>>> an
>>>> oppression of forces.  it can be creating forces, this line.  for
>>>> example, one does not have to actually run away.  like kafka, one
>>>> can
>>>> transform.  not changing clothes or fashions.  but, finding a style.
>>>> finding ones affections.
>>>>
>>>> in the british school model.  well, deleuze particularly, as i know
>>>> him, as stayed within this main frame sort of schooling, but he
>>>> schizo-analzyed it.  he did not bow to certain authors as gods.
>>>> but,
>>>> affirmed what was schizo in them.  looked at things differently than
>>>> main frame platonic visions and he also found marginals was on the
>>>> borders.
>>>>
>>>> not opposing but wading through, like a tick on a branch.
>>>>
>>>> so of your three questions maybe the third problem is most accurate.
>>>>
>>>> i am not that very mature of a thinker but, this is what makes sense
>>>> to
>>>> me.  i am really illiterate and deleuze is what i am beginning to
>>>> know.
>>>>  developing a schizo knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:32 PM, Keith Appler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Greetings:
>>>>>
>>>>> A line of flight, of course.  Grossberg needs to communicate with
>>>>> colleagues in cultural studies, many of whom subscribe to the
>>>>> "British
>>>>> School" model.  What do you say to such people about a line of
>>>>> flight?
>>>>>  Do you mean that oppositional politics is a line of flight, even
>>>>> if
>>>>> it takes dialectical form, which is not D+G's favorite model of
>>>>> historical development?  Or is this only an affair of the
>>>>> multitude, a
>>>>> statistical mutation toward something unknowable?
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 06:05 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote:
>>>>>> line de fuit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 3:59 PM, Keith Appler wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What model do you propose for Deleuzian dissent?  I'm working on
>>>>>>> Grossberg's (We Gotta Get Outta This Place).
>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 05:10 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:47:20 -0800, arisensilently at fastmail.fm
>>>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>>> finally some constructive dissent.
>>>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>>>> dissent never constructive: dissents sucks----------------
>>>>>>>> seee E.Feyderaband PHd Colombia NYC on this issue.lol
>>>>>>>> schizopubnksnotdead!!!yeeyee
>>>>>>>> -------------
>>>>>>>> wooofwof btzzzzzzzzzz-------------blblupblup bisoux tout les
>>>>>>>> jojoes
>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>> adline. acertain truth is positivethis list needs positive
>>>>>>>> truth, go
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> after i cover in the wood.
>>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>   adline vanlindenbergh
>>>>>>>>   bisouxnoursfast at fastmail.fm
>>>>>>>>
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